Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

2019-03-13 Thread Arlen Beiler 
Ok, they should be working now.

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> Hi Arlen,
> None of the links work for me. using FF latest.
> -m
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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

2019-03-13 Thread Arlen Beiler 
Ok, fixed it. It should work now. Sorry for the trouble.

https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlywiki-auto-paragraph.html

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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

2019-03-12 Thread PMario 
Hi Arlen,
None of the links work for me. using FF latest. 
-m

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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

2019-03-12 Thread Arlen Beiler 
If you're curious, I exported the tw5.com data folder and uploaded it to my
GitHub page to give you an idea of what it looks like.

https://github.com/Arlen22/arlen22.github.io/blob/master/tiddlywiki-auto-paragraph.html

It's supposed to work at this URL as well, but it isn't yet for me.

https://arlen22.github.io/tiddlywiki-auto-paragraph.html

Arlen


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:55 PM Arlen Beiler  wrote:

> It turns out that the fix requires only six lines of code!
>
> Well, OK, six lines spread across six files. It's pretty obvious that all
> user-generated content is inside a tiddler body in the story river, so we
> just turn on auto-generated paragraphs inside the tiddler body in the story
> river (and in the edit preview). If someone is advanced enough to use it
> anywhere else, they definitely know how to use the set widget to set one
> variable. You can also turn it off for one tiddler in the story river using
> the same method.
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3854
>
> Tada!
>
> Well, OK, I will grant you that it might require a tiny bit of tweaking to
> adjust the CSS styles, but now that we're liberated, that should be fun! :)
>
> Enjoy!
> Arlen
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:30 PM PMario  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 3:17:10 PM UTC+1, JD wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Still workable though and not really that bothersome. In fact it helps
>>> sometimes when I'm too lazy to add top and bottom paddings to divs.
>>>
>>
>> Yea, That's the culprit. I wich it would have been a much "uglier" side
>> effect. We would have been forced to deal with it ;)
>>
>> -m
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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

2019-03-12 Thread Arlen Beiler 
It turns out that the fix requires only six lines of code!

Well, OK, six lines spread across six files. It's pretty obvious that all
user-generated content is inside a tiddler body in the story river, so we
just turn on auto-generated paragraphs inside the tiddler body in the story
river (and in the edit preview). If someone is advanced enough to use it
anywhere else, they definitely know how to use the set widget to set one
variable. You can also turn it off for one tiddler in the story river using
the same method.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3854

Tada!

Well, OK, I will grant you that it might require a tiny bit of tweaking to
adjust the CSS styles, but now that we're liberated, that should be fun! :)

Enjoy!
Arlen

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:30 PM PMario  wrote:

>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 3:17:10 PM UTC+1, JD wrote:
> ...
>
>> Still workable though and not really that bothersome. In fact it helps
>> sometimes when I'm too lazy to add top and bottom paddings to divs.
>>
>
> Yea, That's the culprit. I wich it would have been a much "uglier" side
> effect. We would have been forced to deal with it ;)
>
> -m
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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

2019-03-12 Thread PMario 

On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 3:17:10 PM UTC+1, JD wrote:
... 

> Still workable though and not really that bothersome. In fact it helps 
> sometimes when I'm too lazy to add top and bottom paddings to divs.
>

Yea, That's the culprit. I wich it would have been a much "uglier" side 
effect. We would have been forced to deal with it ;)

-m



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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

2019-03-12 Thread JD 
Oww, It's very interesting how this  query reveals TW5's history. 

I can intuit sometimes where a  will be generated, but if within and/or 
around a <$list> it seems pretty unpredictable.  Still workable though and 
not really that bothersome. In fact it helps sometimes when I'm too lazy to 
add top and bottom paddings to divs.

-jd


On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 10:20:10 PM UTC+9, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> The problem with the existing mechanism is, that "whitespace matters" for 
> a good reason, as Jeremy explained. The backside of the coin bites us with 
> UI generation. ... 
>
> The TW UI has grown over time quite a bit. We have about 300 shadow 
> tiddlers, that match the search term $:/core/ui. At the early stages, 
> there was no possibility to trim whitespace, which helps to make UI code 
> more readable - now. .. But it's only available in the latest versions.
>
> The main problem now is, that the base CSS contains a lot of hardcoded 
> paddings and margins, that are needed to fix exactly this problem. ... So 
> if we change the UI code, we would also need to modify the base.css code, 
> which will create a compatibility problem. 
>
> I think it should be done, but it's a process and it won't be fast. It's a 
> lot of work, to do it right. ... BUT it would be worth it in the long run
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

2019-03-12 Thread PMario 
Hi, 

The problem with the existing mechanism is, that "whitespace matters" for a 
good reason, as Jeremy explained. The backside of the coin bites us with UI 
generation. ... 

The TW UI has grown over time quite a bit. We have about 300 shadow 
tiddlers, that match the search term $:/core/ui. At the early stages, there 
was no possibility to trim whitespace, which helps to make UI code more 
readable - now. .. But it's only available in the latest versions.

The main problem now is, that the base CSS contains a lot of hardcoded 
paddings and margins, that are needed to fix exactly this problem. ... So 
if we change the UI code, we would also need to modify the base.css code, 
which will create a compatibility problem. 

I think it should be done, but it's a process and it won't be fast. It's a 
lot of work, to do it right. ... BUT it would be worth it in the long run

have fun!
mario


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Re: [tw5] Re: Paragraph tags in layout

2019-03-12 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
TiddlyWiki Classic didn’t generate proper paragraph tags; it just rendered a 
 tag wherever there was a line break. In response to criticisms about that, 
from the beginning I tried to make TW5 generate paragraph tags in the same way 
that Markdown does. (Hence the requirement for double line break to terminate a 
paragraph).

It was then a bit later that I was successful in my experiments to use wikitext 
to generate the UI of TW5 as well as just the bodies of tiddlers. By that time 
the generation of  tags was entrenched and so I just worked around it with a 
combination of CSS and carefully crafted wikitext.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> On 12 Mar 2019, at 12:01, JD  wrote:
> 
> Hi BTC,
> 
> Ahaha! I used to add  \whitespace trim everywhere because I once assumed it 
> will limit  generation on that tiddler... But I was wrong and now I have 
> little idea on what it actually does :(
> 
> Inspecting the dom through Google Chrome, I see that tc-page-controls is 
> styled to have margin-top:14px, which isn't necessary because it is inside a 
> ... In this case I wonder if tc-page-controls was originally not intended 
> be wrapped inside .. and so I wonder if there are other page templates 
> that have this curious thing... Turns out that yes, tc-drafts-list also is 
> within a paragraph tag, although it isn't noticeable because it is 
> position:fixed anyway...
>  
> I'm probably just rambling now hehe
> 
> -jd
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 8:37:21 PM UTC+9, BurningTreeC wrote:
> 
> Hi Arlen, JD
> 
> those paragraphs apparently are generated by the wiki parser when it 
> encounters new-lines / whitespace
> 
> that's useful when writing text within a tiddler to get actual new lines in 
> the rendered result when:
> 
> ```
> text
> 
> more text
> ```
> 
> but for ui parts it's not always desirable. at some points the core ui 
> actually uses it without explicitely adding span or div or p elements
> 
> just consider that if it's a vnd.tiddlywiki tiddler and there's no 
> \whitespace trim pragma on top, such new lines will generate paragraphs
> 
> you can however put a \whitespace trim on top of the tiddler (and separately 
> within macro definitions inside that tiddler) .. I don't know if there's a 
> \rules pragma which can be used to switch paragraphs off
> 
> ah no, the \whitespace trim doesn't remove those new lines, so forget about 
> this tip ;)
> 
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