[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber


> Looks interesting.  How is that meant to be used?
>
 
I don't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'll have to explore it deeper
 

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread coda coder
Looks interesting.  How is that meant to be used?

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 1:39:46 PM UTC-6, Simon Huber wrote:
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>
>
>> Kudos. Nice bit of tech-sloothing, Simon.
>>
>>
>> Thanks :)
>
> I guess something like this then could wrap it in a sidebar?
> https://gist.github.com/Noitidart/8728393 
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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber


>
> Kudos. Nice bit of tech-sloothing, Simon.
>
>
> Thanks :)

I guess something like this then could wrap it in a sidebar?
https://gist.github.com/Noitidart/8728393 

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread coda coder

Kudos. Nice bit of tech-sloothing, Simon.

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 12:44:00 PM UTC-6, Simon Huber wrote:
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>
>
>
> *The settings that appear to make it work faster when tab is in 
> background, for chrome/chromium and firefox:firefox (58) (goto about:config 
> [do it at your own risk])*
> dom.min_background_timeout_value ... change from 1000 to something low (I 
> tried 50)
>
> dom.timeout.enable_budget_timer_throttling ... false
>
>
>
> *chrome/chromium (goto chrome://flags [do it at your own risk])*
> Pause background tabs ... disabled
> Throttle expensive background timers ... disabled
> (these settings would be accessible on TD , too - just in case)
>
>
> sherlock H.
>

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber




*The settings that appear to make it work faster when tab is in background, 
for chrome/chromium and firefox:firefox (58) (goto about:config [do it at 
your own risk])*
dom.min_background_timeout_value ... change from 1000 to something low (I 
tried 50)

dom.timeout.enable_budget_timer_throttling ... false



*chrome/chromium (goto chrome://flags [do it at your own risk])*
Pause background tabs ... disabled
Throttle expensive background timers ... disabled
(these settings would be accessible on TD , too - just in case)


sherlock H.

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber
I have to correct: works on TiddlyDesktop , too

I don't get those js errors anymore, don't know why I got them before...

they may come back though...

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber
for chromium (and chrome) I found something that works:
https://www.askvg.com/how-to-enable-disable-background-tabs-throttling-feature-in-google-chrome-and-opera-web-browsers/


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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber
I've tried firefox, chromium and TiddlyDesktop

chromium is a bit faster than ff

TD throws javascript errors when trying to create Tiddlers - because of its 
framed nature maybe?
But TD wouldn't be the target anyway

For desktop browsers there should be some hidden settings somewhere to 
prevent them from throttling background tabs
I'll make some detective work

Am Montag, 19. Februar 2018 19:02:52 UTC+1 schrieb coda coder:
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>
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 11:34:42 AM UTC-6, Simon Huber wrote:
>>
>> Another issue is that its operation slows down a lot when one changes 
>> browser tab to other pages (and that's what this should be good for)
>>
>> does anybody know a why and a how for that?
>>
>
> The new window belongs to the original TW browser tab.  Browsers 
> "optimize" performance on the current *forward*  tab (actually, I think 
> they "downgrade" performance on the non-forward tabs).  So even though your 
> floating window is essentially "forward", it's suffering the same downgrade 
> in performance because it belongs to a background tab.
>
> It's a matter of debate as to whether that's "a bug".  :/  It's certainly 
> undesirable.  Did you try a few different browsers?
>
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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread coda coder


On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 11:34:42 AM UTC-6, Simon Huber wrote:
>
> Another issue is that its operation slows down a lot when one changes 
> browser tab to other pages (and that's what this should be good for)
>
> does anybody know a why and a how for that?
>

The new window belongs to the original TW browser tab.  Browsers "optimize" 
performance on the current *forward*  tab (actually, I think they 
"downgrade" performance on the non-forward tabs).  So even though your 
floating window is essentially "forward", it's suffering the same downgrade 
in performance because it belongs to a background tab.

It's a matter of debate as to whether that's "a bug".  :/  It's certainly 
undesirable.  Did you try a few different browsers?

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber
Another issue is that its operation slows down a lot when one changes 
browser tab to other pages (and that's what this should be good for)

does anybody know a why and a how for that?

all the best,
Simon

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber
This would be a way I think: http://rocketdock.tiddlyspot.com/

It's a stripped-down view you can open in a new window, add tiddlers, edit 
them, there's also a dropzone to drag stuff into.
I'm not happy that the address bar shows up on top - I think I could make 
some pull requests for the tm-new-window message, some parameters... maybe 
also a solution for docking the window? Is that possible?

BTC

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Re: [twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread coda coder


On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:52:35 AM UTC-6, Simon Huber wrote:
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>
> np. And again, a regular textfile bookmarklet is generally better (for the 
>> OP solution).  File/SaveAs is good enough (sans images).  And it doesn't 
>> *need* to be in the sidebar, either... create two, one of each.
>>
>> my intention was not having something just good enough, I was thinking 
> more in the "good" direction ;)
>
> I think having a wiki open, but being able to edit tiddlers from a panel 
> docked to other pages would be nice, having the wiki simultaneously updated.
>
> Now I think a button from within a wiki that opens an editor panel in a 
> new window can already do that - I did something like that with the sidebar 
> once
>
> let me see if I find that solution, then I'll tinker something in my 
> alchemy laboratory
>

Totally agree with that sentiment.  Tinkering around with this may not be 
the best solution - I was just throwing it out there.

Shame about the iframe now working with locals.  That's the sandboxing 
rules at play.  Don't see a solution to that just yet.  I'm guessing that 
the origin of the outer portion (data/html etc) is considered unique and 
anything we supply in the sandbox attribute is file:/// based so they're 
different.  Oh well... 

More here, if anyone cares to dig in...

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/iframe
 

>
> BTC
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Re: [twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber


> np. And again, a regular textfile bookmarklet is generally better (for the 
> OP solution).  File/SaveAs is good enough (sans images).  And it doesn't 
> *need* to be in the sidebar, either... create two, one of each.
>
> my intention was not having something just good enough, I was thinking 
more in the "good" direction ;)

I think having a wiki open, but being able to edit tiddlers from a panel 
docked to other pages would be nice, having the wiki simultaneously updated.

Now I think a button from within a wiki that opens an editor panel in a new 
window can already do that - I did something like that with the sidebar once

let me see if I find that solution, then I'll tinker something in my 
alchemy laboratory

BTC

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber
@Coda,

the nodejs part works, but it doesn't work with local files

Am Montag, 19. Februar 2018 16:35:24 UTC+1 schrieb coda coder:
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>
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:19:06 AM UTC-6, Simon Huber wrote:
>>
>> hm... how do you do that with local files?
>>
>>
> This one is a bit prettier too...
>
> data:text/html;charset=utf-8,%20Textfilebody, 
> .vw-iframe{margin:0;border:none;height:100%;width:100%;} class="vw-iframe" src="file:///path/mywiki.html"> 
>
> Or node/Tiddlyserver...
>
> data:text/html;charset=utf-8,%20Textfilebody, 
> .vw-iframe{margin:0;border:none;height:100%;width:100%;} class="vw-iframe" src="http://127.0.0.1:99/path/my-wiki.html;>
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Re: [twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread coda coder


On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:26:13 AM UTC-6, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>
> That's pretty cool. 
>
>
Yep, I like it a lot, though not necessarily for TWs.  The problem there is 
that dropped images surface at the dropzone widget, not at the tiddler.  
With a regular "textfile" bookmarklet, the images are rendered right where 
you drop them.  Saving though... not so easy.  But then, I'm usually not 
intending to keep all my ramblings/notes... and if I *do* want to keep 
them, then I drag stuff into a TW later.

But yes, a TW plugin than handled dropped images "right here dammit" would 
be uber-cool.  Since the browser data/html protocol handles it directly, 
shouldn't be too hard for a TW wizard to figure out.

 

> I imagine if you're running your TW in a node instance or on a server, 
> all you'd need to do would be to modify '$:/core/save/empty' to a custom 
> configuration and have that load in on the sidebar and you'd basically 
> be done. 


Lost me there.  What would that do?
 

> I also remember writing a plugin at some point so that you 
> could drag and drop images from webpages. 
>
>
zackly.
 

> Big thanks for bringing up bookmarklets though coda! Would have never 
> thought of those. 
>
>
np. And again, a regular textfile bookmarklet is generally better (for the 
OP solution).  File/SaveAs is good enough (sans images).  And it doesn't 
*need* to be in the sidebar, either... create two, one of each.


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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread coda coder


On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 9:19:06 AM UTC-6, Simon Huber wrote:
>
> hm... how do you do that with local files?
>
>
This one is a bit prettier too...

data:text/html;charset=utf-8,%20Textfilebody, 
.vw-iframe{margin:0;border:none;height:100%;width:100%;} 

Or node/Tiddlyserver...

data:text/html;charset=utf-8,%20Textfilebody, 
.vw-iframe{margin:0;border:none;height:100%;width:100%;}http://127.0.0.1:99/path/my-wiki.html;>

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Re: [twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread 'Andreas Hahn' via TiddlyWikiDev

That's pretty cool.

I imagine if you're running your TW in a node instance or on a server, 
all you'd need to do would be to modify '$:/core/save/empty' to a custom 
configuration and have that load in on the sidebar and you'd basically 
be done. I also remember writing a plugin at some point so that you 
could drag and drop images from webpages.


Big thanks for bringing up bookmarklets though coda! Would have never 
thought of those.


/Andreas

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber
hm... how do you do that with local files?

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber
great @coda coder, any ideas how to take this further to edit tiddlers?

I think this should just integrate any editor toolbar and then we should 
try to make it edit tiddlers.

How can we take this short sentence to reality?

Simon

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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread coda coder
Hi Simon,

Before you commit to the notes testpilot as a starting point, throw this 
into a bookmark URL field:

data:text/html;charset=utf-8, Textfile



Open it up and play.  You can even paste images.

I did have one that saved full html but I can't find it right now.

Either way, this saves LOCALLY... and without any third-party licensing and 
terms to negotiate.

Seriously, if you're going to try jigging TW into a sidebar, I'd start 
"here", not "there" :)

Coda

On Monday, February 19, 2018 at 6:09:40 AM UTC-6, Simon Huber wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've recently stumbled upon this firefox-panel for quick notes, called 
> "NOTES"
>
> This is the github repo: https://github.com/mozilla/notes ... it uses the 
> popular WYSIWYG quill editor https://github.com/quilljs/quill
>
> This panel is the same as the "notes" FireFox Test-Pilot experiment: 
> https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments
>
>
> I've tried both and I've tried quill's capabilities on https://quilljs.com
>
> I think such a panel would be great for editing tiddlers while browsing 
> other web content, pasting stuff directly ... to just name two
>
> I haven't looked deeper into the code and I haven't done something like 
> this before, but it looks doable.
>
> I'd like to ask you here - you are more experienced, you maybe can tell me 
> immediately if it's not worth investigating further
>
> Or maybe it's a great thing that could be done?
>
> all the best,
> BTC
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[twdev] Re: [Idea?]Browser sidebar panel for TW notes

2018-02-19 Thread Simon Huber
sorry - it's the ck-editor they're using right now, though quilljs is 
included, too

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