RE: [time-nuts] Low cost synchronization

2005-08-22 Thread Schneuwly, Dominik
What about this: Use an NTP client running on a Smartphone. Such NTP clients are available for Pocket PCs, Symbian OS, etc. Dominik Schneuwly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak Sent: samedi, 20. août 2005 21:00 To: Discussion

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-22 Thread Chuck Harris
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: I met a violinist some years back who suffered from a 440Hz tinitus on his left ear. When he tuned his fiddle after that, it was 440.0Hz measured with a frequency counter. Did you make this measurement, or were you

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: Uhm, sorry, that is just plain wrong. The Ferrantis (sp?) power meter which is the most widely used meter in the world is not frequency sensitive within a band of +/- 10% or more. I have never seen a power meter made by Ferranti in the US.

[time-nuts] Re: Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
Chuck Harris wrote: A 10% variation in line frequency would cause a 10% variation in power consumption registered. Induction type power meters will remain accurate with a 10% variation in power line voltage, however. Someday, our utilities will convert all of our meters to solidstate units

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chuck Harris writes: I met a violinist some years back who suffered from a 440Hz tinitus on his left ear. When he tuned his fiddle after that, it was 440.0Hz measured with a frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread John Day
At 10:00 AM 8/22/2005, you wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Hawkins writes : Power companies bill on time-integrated power - watt-hour meters in the US. Watt-hour meters are still mostly driven by electric clocks, in a way. The frequency does matter. Uhm,

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Chuck Harris
John Day wrote: I have never seen a power meter made by Ferranti in the US. Try Siemens or ABB then, Ferranti has been taken over if I recall. The term is actually Ferraris, after Galileo Ferraris, the inventer of the AC induction motor. As far as I can tell, he had nothing to do with

[time-nuts] Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Van Baak
I measured the phase, frequency and Allan deviation of the sound card on my cheap PC. You'll enjoy the results: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/sound-1pps/ If any of you with a high-end sound card want to repeat the experiment let me know. /tvb ___

RE: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Bill Hawkins
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote, quoting me, Power companies bill on time-integrated power - watt-hour meters in the US. Watt-hour meters are still mostly driven by electric clocks, in a way. The frequency does matter. Uhm, sorry, that is just plain wrong. The Ferrantis (sp?) power meter which is the

Re: [time-nuts] Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Hawkins writes : 1. It is unlikely that any power network just lets itself go, with no standard time/frequency to hold. The under-frequency relays would make that hazardous. Does not follow. Well, it doesn't follow from the watt-hour meter, but look at the

Re: [time-nuts] Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Matt Ettus
On 8/22/05, Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I measured the phase, frequency and Allan deviation of the sound card on my cheap PC. You'll enjoy the results: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/sound-1pps/ If any of you with a high-end sound card want to repeat the experiment let me know.

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread David Kirkby
Alberto di Bene wrote: Tom Van Baak wrote: I measured the phase, frequency and Allan deviation of the sound card on my cheap PC. You'll enjoy the results: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/sound-1pps/ If any of you with a high-end sound card want to repeat the experiment let me know.

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: David Kirkby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:06:49 +0100 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David, Unfortunately, while my 5328B has the HPIB interface, my PC doesn't, so I cannot collect data automatically, otherwise it

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
David Kirkby wrote: If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, then a GPIB board is not that expensive on eBay. Just save yourself a lot of hassle and get one from National Instruments, as they are better supported than other makes. I have an ISA GPIB card

RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread John Miles
National Instruments sells (or at one time, sold) GPIB adapters that will connect to any port on your PC, including USB, parallel, RS-232, the drain in your bathtub, you name it. They are definitely the way to go. There are certain OS limitations; for instance, NT-based versions of Windows

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Alberto di Bene [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:45:59 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Kirkby wrote: If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, then a GPIB board is not that expensive on

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread David Kirkby
Alberto di Bene wrote: David Kirkby wrote: If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, then a GPIB board is not that expensive on eBay. Just save yourself a lot of hassle and get one from National Instruments, as they are better supported than other makes. I have

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
An old PC is probably your best bet. Before I start hunting for an old PC with an ISA slot, does anybody know if Capital Equipment Corporation (the maker of my ISA GPIB card) is still in business ? I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy... 73 Alberto I2PHD

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
Alberto di Bene wrote: I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy... I was wrong ! I have just found the drivers here : http://www.cec488.com/gpibupgd.html A free download... now the quest for the ISA PC can start... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread David Kirkby
Alberto di Bene wrote: An old PC is probably your best bet. Before I start hunting for an old PC with an ISA slot, does anybody know if Capital Equipment Corporation (the maker of my ISA GPIB card) is still in business ? I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy...

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Van Baak
I know :-( I checked the NI prices and for such a card they want a couple hundreds Euros or more... I am wondering... I know of the existence of USB = RS232 adaptors. May be someone sells also USB = GPIB converters ? Nobody knows ? 73 Alberto I2PHD Alberto, I do almost all my

RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Daun Yeagley
Agilent also now has a USB to GPIB converter. Of course it's several hundred dollars also, and uses the Agilent I/O libraries. Not sure, but I think that it only supports Windoze. I'll check with some of my buddies that survived to see it that's the case. Daun -Original Message- From:

RE: [time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread John Miles
I _strongly_ recommend National Instruments for anything GPIB-related. It is much cheaper on eBay than buying anything new from Agilent, and much better for your sanity than buying anything from an unheard-of GPIB manufacturer. I write a fair amount of homebrew TM software; most of it is