Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question

2006-08-30 Thread Glenn
Telco's know exactly what time it is. Although, frequency is much more important than time. Central Offices use either Rb or Cs for a Time Freq. standard. They need to keep all the trunk signals in perfect sync to keep from loosing bits. Cell sites generally use GPSDO's. Either OXCO or

Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question

2006-08-30 Thread Bill Hawkins
Ah, the hazards of e-mail. Glenn says, As for the blind leading the blind, AFAIK many people on this list make their living designing/building/ selling precise timing products. I never meant to say that the blind led the blind. Nor did I comment on anyone's ability to use precision timing

Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question

2006-08-30 Thread Hal Murray
[telcos] They need to keep all the trunk signals in perfect sync to keep from loosing bits. That's not quite right. You won't drop bits if the trunk is (slightly) faster than the source. I think the protocols for encapsulating T1s in T3s and such have a slot for that so telco-X can

Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops!

2006-08-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: xaos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops! Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:42:45 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus, George, Arghhh... I forgot to include it in the build script. It is there now as version 2.0.3. I double-checked and the file

Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops!

2006-08-30 Thread bg
On Wed, August 30, 2006 22:23, Magnus Danielson said: The current state is on: http://rubidium.dyndns.org/gpsdata/ Should this Satellites(Tracking/Visible): 6/3 be read as; Tracking 6 SVs, 3 more should be visable over the 10 deg horizon mask, but are not used now?

Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops!

2006-08-30 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops! Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:59:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, August 30, 2006 22:23, Magnus Danielson said: The current state is on: http://rubidium.dyndns.org/gpsdata/ Should this

Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops!

2006-08-30 Thread xaos
First, Ah, much better. After batteling the perl package hell (i.e. finding the exact right Debian package that will make it tick) I now have it running, but now I need to figure out how to make it tick on automatic. I also commented out the cd /opt/ntp/timelord/shm || exit line from the G1

Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops!

2006-08-30 Thread xaos
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Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question

2006-08-30 Thread Bill Janssen
Hal Murray wrote: [telcos] They need to keep all the trunk signals in perfect sync to keep from loosing bits. That's not quite right. You won't drop bits if the trunk is (slightly) faster than the source. I think the protocols for encapsulating T1s in T3s and such have a slot for

Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question

2006-08-30 Thread Didier Juges
I have observed that some cell phones set their clock when you power them up, and others set it at regular time. Some automatically change time zone as you travel and some don't, maybe due to the same process. Didier KO4BB Glenn wrote: _Most_ cell phones set their time to network time.

Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question

2006-08-30 Thread Daun Yeagley
CDMA phones have their clocks set by the system, as they require more precise synchronization of not only the data stream bit timing, but also the synchronization of the psuedo random key streams. These are used for syncing up the Walsh codes as well as security encryption key functions. Daun

Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops!

2006-08-30 Thread xaos
Mangus, Now, to the more problematic issue of time delay between :SYST:STAT? invocation and receiver response. I just wish that the information in the :SYSTEM:STATUS? command was available separately. Much of it is. I have reverse-engineered the actual SCPI command structure, but

Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A

2006-08-30 Thread Hal Murray
Any real ideas on how to make it work in coordination with NTP? ntpd has a lot of logging. If you turn on clockstats you will get the info from your refclocks, mostly a line with a timestamp and the raw data, like this: 53978 3319.033 127.127.26.1 T220060831005520339 53978 3383.033

Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops!

2006-08-30 Thread Hal Murray
Much of it is. I have reverse-engineered the actual SCPI command structure, but I haven't had time to test them all. Besides, I actually found an error in my analysis and haven't had time to fix it. What did you uncover that wasn't in the manual? -- The suespammers.org mail server is

Re: [time-nuts] Progress of my HP Z3801A -- Ooops!

2006-08-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hal Murray writes: Much of it is. I have reverse-engineered the actual SCPI command structure, but I haven't had time to test them all. Besides, I actually found an error in my analysis and haven't had time to fix it. What did you uncover that wasn't in the manual?

Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question

2006-08-30 Thread Daun Yeagley
Good explanation! Daun N8ASB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David I. Emery Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:01 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing question On Wed, Aug 30,