Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga...

2006-10-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Didier Juges said the following on 10/28/2006 12:18 AM: The clock shaper uses a commercial 10.7 MHz IF transformer, readjusted down to 10 MHz (see schematic at http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/2_GPS_Stuff/Clock_Shaper.jpg). It provides light loading to the OCXO through the 390 ohm

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga...

2006-10-28 Thread Didier Juges
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: To minimize jitter and tempco, you probably ought to stay away from a comparator if you can. I've had good success using the input circuit from Brooks Shera's GPSDO which is a 74HC4046 PLL, but using only the input circuit and not the PLL section itself.

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga...

2006-10-28 Thread Tim Shoppa
John Ackermann N8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didier Juges said the following on 10/28/2006 12:18 AM: The clock shaper uses a commercial 10.7 MHz IF transformer, readjusted down to 10 MHz (see schematic at http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/2_GPS_Stuff/Clock_Shaper.jpg). It provides

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga...

2006-10-28 Thread Didier Juges
Magnus Danielson wrote: Look at the AD8561 datasheet first. The 74HC4046 is much slower than the AD8561 and the higher output slewrate of the AD8561 is certainly good to keep jitter down. The 74HC4046 is worse for that aspect. What I would rather critize Didiers schematic for is the lack of

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - more data: GPS 1PPS against OCXO/128

2006-10-28 Thread Didier Juges
There are sudden increases in noise (bursts that last from seconds to minutes) on the plots I posted. I believe the sudden and drastic increase in noise at times comes from the GPS loosing lock. At the moment, I cannot hook up the computer to the GPS and verify, but I will do that later. In

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga...

2006-10-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga... Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:44:27 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus Danielson wrote: Look at the AD8561 datasheet first. The 74HC4046 is much slower than the AD8561 and the higher output

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - more data: GPS 1PPS against OCXO/128

2006-10-28 Thread Didier Juges
kd7ts wrote: Didier Juges wrote: There are sudden increases in noise (bursts that last from seconds to minutes) on the plots I posted. I believe the sudden and drastic increase in noise at times comes from the GPS loosing lock. At the moment, I cannot hook up the computer to the GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga...

2006-10-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Look at the AD8561 datasheet first. The 74HC4046 is much slower than the AD8561 and the higher output slewrate of the AD8561 is certainly good to keep jitter down. The 74HC4046 is worse for that aspect. What I would rather critize Didiers

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - more data: GPS 1PPS against OCXO/128

2006-10-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
kd7ts wrote: Didier Juges wrote: There are sudden increases in noise (bursts that last from seconds to minutes) on the plots I posted. I believe the sudden and drastic increase in noise at times comes from the GPS loosing lock. At the moment, I cannot hook up the computer to the GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - more data: GPS 1PPS againstOCXO/128

2006-10-28 Thread Rob Kimberley
Most timing receivers I've worked with usually mask out anything below about 10 - 15 degrees. Minimises multi-path and tropo effects. Seem to remember having to tweak a Datum unit several years ago on an installation due to a large metal cooling tower at 20+ degrees above our antenna site. Rob

Re: [time-nuts] Can anyone help?

2006-10-28 Thread bg
My DSL-modem will buffer several hundreds of milliseconds while doing heavy down/up-loading. Hence do NOT fill any of the pipes between you and the ntp server. Even though you probably control only one hop and the later routers are probably not buffering as much as my DSL-modem. Here is a start

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga...

2006-10-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation - continuing saga... Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:35:44 +1300 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good Morning Bruce! Comparators are fine with a good layout. As you sharpen up the rise-times, layout becomes more and

Re: [time-nuts] looking for HP 3738A external pin connections or schematic

2006-10-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Eric Haskell wrote: I purchased this item to ebay to play with the YIG. Can anyone help with proper voltages to apply to this unit and which pins they go to? Eric Haskell KC4YOE ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] GPS vagaries and binary interface

2006-10-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Good timing antennas have built in ceramic or equivalent bandpass filters to minimise the effect of interference. A patch antenna is not as satisfactory as a quadrifilar helix or a choke ring ground plane antenna for accurate timing

Re: [time-nuts] GPS vagaries and binary interface

2006-10-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Good timing antennas have built in ceramic or equivalent bandpass filters to minimise the effect of interference. A patch antenna is not as satisfactory as a quadrifilar helix or a choke ring ground plane antenna for accurate timing

[time-nuts] My GPS-Derived Standard...

2006-10-28 Thread Bert
Greetings to all, Yes, it is me, Bert, VE2ZAZ. I guess you know who I am by now An amateur radio acquaintance forwarded one thread of this forum to me today. I appreciate the constructive comments from those who understand the objectives met by my GPS-derived standard design. I almost fell

Re: [time-nuts] GPS vagaries and binary interface

2006-10-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: That's the impression I am getting. I do not know if any of the GPSDO that I have seen described in recent literature take care of this properly. It seems when the GPS goes nuts, the 1 PPS goes quite a bit out of normal range, so it should not take too much

Re: [time-nuts] GPS vagaries and binary interface

2006-10-28 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Alternative GPSDO solution Divide the 10MHz reference by 32 resync the output to 10MHz with a fast D flipflop and then divide the D flipflop output by 4 using a 2 bit switchtail ring (Johnson) counter. Low pass filter the outputs of both divide by 4

[time-nuts] More Allan deviation data

2006-10-28 Thread Didier Juges
I moved the GPS antenna as high as I could in the shack (instead of on a shelf at eye level) and it seems to have significantly improved the signal. Here is the latest plot of the HP10811 against the GPS, unlocked. http://www.ko4bb.com/Test_Equipment/HP10811-GPS-10-29.png (sorry the screen

[time-nuts] Halloween

2006-10-28 Thread Bill Hawkins
Stumbled on the Rocky Horror Show, which seems to have become timeless. The song Let's do the time warp again seems appropriate for the USA time-change Sunday. It's just a jump to the left, put your hands on your hips, do the pelvic thrust, let's do the time warp again. Something about