Re: [time-nuts] STEL Patent for 48 bit D/A based on NCO IC

2007-01-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brooke Clarke writes: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=5440313 That patent should never have been granted IMO. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer |

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers (was Re: ACE-III GPS receivers (Dr Bruce Griffiths))

2007-01-28 Thread Christopher Hoover
Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble literature however is ambiguous in that in the Resolution T receiver datasheets talk about using RG59 to connect to the antenna.

Re: [time-nuts] Austron PRR-10 GPS discliplined Rb...

2007-01-28 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Bruce, good to have you in the background with a look for the finer details. A frequency multiplier, either within the DDS, or external to it is required to generate a suitable DDS clock from either a 10MHz or 20MHz input. Of course! That's why i use a AD9852 which features BOTH an

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers (was Re: ACE-III GPS receivers (Dr Bruce Griffiths))

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble literature however is ambiguous in that in the Resolution T receiver datasheets talk about using RG59 to

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers (was Re: ACE-III GPS receivers (Dr Bruce Griffiths))

2007-01-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Bruce Griffiths writes: 93 ohm RG62 cables with BNC connectors are not unknown, they were used in some nuclear instrumentation. I have a few of these lying around. Other uses: 93 Ohm: IBM 3270 terminal cabling 75 Ohm: Practically all telecoms

Re: [time-nuts] Austron PRR-10 GPS discliplined Rb...

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Ulrich Bangert wrote: Bruce, good to have you in the background with a look for the finer details. A frequency multiplier, either within the DDS, or external to it is required to generate a suitable DDS clock from either a 10MHz or 20MHz input. Of course! That's why i use a

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers (was Re: ACE-III GPS receivers (Dr Bruce Griffiths))

2007-01-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Christopher Hoover said the following on 01/28/2007 04:48 AM: I would also add that BNC and N connectors come in both 50Z and 75Z flavors. In fact 75Z BNC connectors are pretty common, being used in professional video applications. (Check surplus BNC patch cords carefully.) On the other

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers (was Re: ACE-III GPSreceivers (Dr Bruce Griffiths))

2007-01-28 Thread Mike Suhar
RG62 was also used for the interconnection between the Heathkit SB303 receiver and SB401 transmitter. I thought that was a strange choice of cables but at the time there were miles of the stuff being used for IBM 3270 terminals as noted below. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble literature however is ambiguous in that in the Resolution T receiver

Re: [time-nuts] New multifrequency GPS antenna

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Those of you who use multifrequency GPS antennas such as choke ring antennas may find the following article of some interest. The new Trimble antenna has better performance than a choke ring antenna especially if more than 2 frequencies are required.

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble literature however is ambiguous in that in the

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Chris Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble literature however is ambiguous in that in the Resolution T receiver datasheets talk

Re: [time-nuts] ACE-III GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Edwin B. Walker
I think Jameco has short lengths of this ribbon, I will let you know in a few weeks it is the right size cable. Ed - Original Message - From: Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Chris Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance. Trimble literature however is ambiguous in that in

Re: [time-nuts] Austron PRR-10 GPS discliplined Rb...

2007-01-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Ulrich Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Austron PRR-10 GPS discliplined Rb... Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:24:48 +0100 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Magnus, Hi Ulrich, Sorry for the delay, but I made a little trip and just came back. can you supply this manual??? No

[time-nuts] More ACE-III stuff

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
I took a picture of my ACE-III test board. http://www.ko4bb.com/Test_Equipment/ACE-III There is a picture showing it side by side with the Jupiter. The Jupiter is a little smaller, but draws about 240mA versus 95 for the ACE-III, so the ACE-III is much better suited to a portable system. I

[time-nuts] Clock hacking

2007-01-28 Thread Mark Amos
Thank you all for the suggestions and ideas regarding clock hacking for my GPS clock! Mark W8XR ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] More ACE-III stuff

2007-01-28 Thread Hal Murray
I power it through a small integrated switcher from National Semiconductors (old sample), so the current draw at 12V is just about 70mA with the antenna plugged in and nothing gets hot. If low power is more important than great-timing, the Garmin GPS-18-LVC takes 60 mA @ 5 Vdc. -- These

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Brooke Clarke
HI Didier: It's my understanding that the term impedance can only be applied when sine wave signals are being used. So for pulse work you might look at the harmonic content and try to match all those frequencies. Long ago Bob Grove promoted the idea of using 75 Ohm TV coax for ham antennas

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Neon John
On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:02:39 -0800, Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Long ago Bob Grove promoted the idea of using 75 Ohm TV coax for ham antennas at 2 meters and higher frequencies because it had lower loss than 50 Ohm coax and was much lower in cost. For ham applications the VSWR due

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Chris Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm cable. Trimble Bullet GPS antennas have a 50 ohm output impedance.

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Bruce Griffiths writes: I can see the difference between the short 50 ohm cable terminated in 50 ohms and the short 50 ohm cable terminated in 75 ohms. It would be instructive to repeat this with a short length of 75 ohm cable terminated in50 and 75 ohms. The

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Bruce Griffiths writes: I can see the difference between the short 50 ohm cable terminated in 50 ohms and the short 50 ohm cable terminated in 75 ohms. It would be instructive to repeat this with a short length of 75 ohm cable

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
It is true is that the impedance of a transmission line is not constant with frequency, particularly at the low end (audio). At the higher end, a lot of things happen, such as impedance, attenuation and velocity factor all change (a little) with frequency. Also, at the higher end, leakage

[time-nuts] Accuracy of 10mhz - a simple explanation?

2007-01-28 Thread N3IZN
Accuracy of 10mhz - a simple explanation? So can any one provide a link or want to try and explain to this layman what the deal is with the accuracy spec provided by (or should I say claimed by) the various manufactures and kits out there? For example my Trimble claims to have accuracy of

Re: [time-nuts] Accuracy of 10mhz - a simple explanation?

2007-01-28 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following on 01/28/2007 06:11 PM: Accuracy of 10mhz - a simple explanation? So can any one provide a link or want to try and explain to this layman what the deal is with the accuracy spec provided by (or should I say claimed by) the various manufactures and

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Chris Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except for Trimble,..) GPS receivers and antennas are designed to use 50 ohm

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: It is true is that the impedance of a transmission line is not constant with frequency, particularly at the low end (audio). At the higher end, a lot of things happen, such as impedance, attenuation and velocity factor all change (a little) with frequency. Also, at the

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Didier Juges wrote: Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Chris Christopher Hoover wrote: Most (except

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Didier Juges wrote: Bruce, You have done it again. Now, I have more ideas for interesting experimentation and still not more time :-) I have 3 coax runs going from my ham shack to the top of my tower to feed the HF (14 to 30 MHz) and two VHF antennas (6m and 2m, or 50 MHz and 144 MHz).

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Didier: The Tek 1502 is great for doing this, especially if you have the optional strip chart recorder. It's what it was made to do. http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/Tek1502.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke w/Java http://www.PRC68.com w/o Java

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
I think that the simplest explanation for the BIPM's recommendation that the antenna cables be matched to the antenna output impedance and the GPS receivers input impedance is as follows: If one has gone to the trouble and expense of installing an antenna that is relatively insensitive to

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Didier: Yes they are on eBay. The tunnel diode models have a narrower pulse than the later models that use something more rugged. Probably for all practical purposes one of the newer ones would work well and last better. I think the military bought boat loads of these and I've heard

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Daun Yeagley
A number of vector network analyzers have a time domain function in them. They use an inverse Fourier transform to get the display. This is VERY useful in a high RF environment. A number of years ago we had a problem on a receiver site for the DARA (Dayton) two meter repeater, and it was located

Re: [time-nuts] 75Z vs 50Z for GPS receivers

2007-01-28 Thread Didier Juges
Certainly a vector network analyzer is the next piece of test equipment I need to get. We have several HP 8720 and 8722 where I work, and it's easy to be spoiled... Unfortunately, that's another quantum leap in cost from the spectrum analyzers and synthesizers I have, at least for those that

Re: [time-nuts] Austron PRR-10 GPS discliplined Rb...

2007-01-28 Thread Hal Murray
Of course for phase comparison with the input, one actually does not need much filtering as one is only using the NCO digital output as an input to a phase comparator... spurs and so forth don't count at all here as they get filtered out in the subsequent loop filter for the PLL (which