Re: [time-nuts] Setting Osc Frequencies

2007-04-11 Thread Hal Murray
And Hal- what about the pcb layout for Bruce's 74CX version? Had time to look at it yet? It fell through the cracks when I got interested in something else. Is anybody really interested in that board? If so, please send me a reminder about the schematic. There have been lots of ideas

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Osc Frequencies

2007-04-11 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Hal Murray wrote: And Hal- what about the pcb layout for Bruce's 74CX version? Had time to look at it yet? It fell through the cracks when I got interested in something else. Is anybody really interested in that board? If so, please send me a reminder about the schematic. There

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Osc Frequencies

2007-04-11 Thread VK3YV
Hi Bruce, I for one would like to get the completed circuit seeing as I started the whole thing off and was just getting ready to maybe do a copy of the HP unit. Regards DonVK3YV. - Original Message - From: Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of precise time and

[time-nuts] Sudden FMT

2007-04-11 Thread Connie Marshall
The next FMT will be Wednesday night April 11. 10:30 PM EDT 9:30 PM CDT 8:30 PM MDT 7:30 PM PDT 02:30 UTC The 80 meter run will be first, followed immediately by the 40 meter run and ending with the 160 meter run. 80 meter frequency will be near 355 Hz 40 meter

Re: [time-nuts] Setting Osc Frequencies

2007-04-11 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
VK3YV wrote: Hi Bruce, I for one would like to get the completed circuit seeing as I started the whole thing off and was just getting ready to maybe do a copy of the HP unit. Regards DonVK3YV. Don AD9901 version attached. It needs another opamp to be added to allow the scale and

Re: [time-nuts] Oops - wrong URL for tvb plot!

2007-04-11 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/10/2007 18:44:58 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Knowing or calculating the sample rate is useful: 15-20 samples/second seems OK for a 53132. But if you were to measure it you would come up with a more exact number. One way to do this is time the

Re: [time-nuts] Oops - wrong URL for tvb plot!

2007-04-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
The plotter utility, while it can read all sorts of suffixes etc, isn't happy with the comma. Comma removed, and it works perfectly (Ulrich, can you please fix this?) Said or Ulrich, an example of the code I use for this can be found in function hp53131() in source file:

Re: [time-nuts] Oops - wrong URL for tvb plot!

2007-04-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak wrote: For fancier plotting I extract tau/adev pairs from either adev1 or Stable32 and make pretty log/log plots using Excel; MRTG, gnuplot, grace are alternatives. For those working in the *nix world, let me put in a plug for grace (plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/ ). It's a

Re: [time-nuts] Comments on ADEV, MDEV, TDEV, etc

2007-04-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Clark, K3IO wrote: I know it was mentioned earlier, but the bible on all these *DEV topics is the User Manual from Bill Wriley's STABLE32 (see [3]http://www.wriley.com/) and his various papers. Several of us (TvB, Rick me for 3) find that STABLE32 is one of the most useful

Re: [time-nuts] Oops - wrong URL for tvb plot!

2007-04-11 Thread Rick Hambly \(W2GPS\)
John, I need your advise on the Gibraltar project. Is there a good time that we could speak on the phone? Rick W2GPS AMSAT LM2232 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:39 AM To: Tom Van

Re: [time-nuts] Comments on ADEV, MDEV, TDEV, etc

2007-04-11 Thread Ulrich Bangert
John, under all linuxes i have a very limited understanding of how to install and use Ubuntu. If you can tell me where to get a WINE for Ubuntu I will be able to peform some tests myself with running my software under the emu. 73 Ulrich, DF6JB P.S. I can do nothing else than to encourage the

Re: [time-nuts] Comments on ADEV, MDEV, TDEV, etc

2007-04-11 Thread Chuck Harris
Ulrich Bangert wrote: John, under all linuxes i have a very limited understanding of how to install and use Ubuntu. If you can tell me where to get a WINE for Ubuntu I will be able to peform some tests myself with running my software under the emu. All variations of linux have a package

Re: [time-nuts] Administrivia: Message Sizes

2007-04-11 Thread Enrico Rubiola
John, for sure I'll post the files on my site. Apologizes. Enrico On 11 Apr 2007, at 17:30 , John Ackermann N8UR wrote: I've been getting a lot of notices lately that messages are being rejected because they exceed the list's 128kb maximum size limit. Now that we have over 400 subscribers, I

Re: [time-nuts] Administrivia: Message Sizes

2007-04-11 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Thanks, Didier! John Didier Juges wrote: Anyone on this list is welcome use the upload section of my web site. It is intended for manuals, until I check them and move them to the formal Manual section, but since you can upload anything that will fit (25 GB please), you are welcome to

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 33, Issue 29

2007-04-11 Thread Christopher Hoover
Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone has other favorite plotting methods, please let us know. Although I use and favor gnome as my desktop, I've been using kde's kst plotting package. It is not bad, which for me, discussing a software package, is an above average endorsement.

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 33, Issue 29

2007-04-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
Incidentally, I've found that it is important to be quite careful with your floating point handling when representing a quantity of seconds with picosecond resolution in an IEEE 64-bit float. Can you give me an example of where you'd run into this? I ask because typically I think one

[time-nuts] Delay Line Discriminator article

2007-04-11 Thread Didier Juges
I came across an old article on the Delay Line Discriminator for Phase Noise Measurements (Microwave Journal 1983). I don't think the theory has changed much since then :-) http://www.ko4bb.com/ham_radio/Manuals/3_GPS_Stuff/DelayLineDiscriminator.pdf Didier KO4BB

Re: [time-nuts] Delay Line Discriminator article

2007-04-11 Thread Enrico Rubiola
Dear all, I have developed a theory of the delay line. Using the Laplace transform of the phase, mathematics is amazingly simple. Pick up the article no.6 on http://rubiola.org/journal-articles/readme.html Very best,. Enrico On 11 Apr 2007, at 20:19 , Didier Juges wrote: I came across an old

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
well - that's my main reason I did the post - I wish I had Visi for Windows2K so I could do exactly that! I am trying to set up a Win98 machine with GPIB since I bought a quite old version of Visi from Wavecrest that runs only on Win98. I thought I remember from the manual that there's a

Re: [time-nuts] Crossing International Date line causes F-22 Jet Problems

2007-04-11 Thread Maggie Leber
On 4/11/07, Brooke Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the computer program is in the millions of lines and had this bug, what other bugs does it have? Very similar to a bug in F-16 software that caused the fly-by-wire to roll the a/c inverted when it passed south of the equator. I believe that

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-11 Thread Joseph Gray
I am trying to set up a Win98 machine with GPIB since I bought a quite old version of Visi from Wavecrest that runs only on Win98. Did you try using compatibility mode on WinXP to run that software? ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
6a I used a 100k sample average which yields (IIRC) 200 femtosecond resolution in the 5370B, and for each run checked the min, max, and standard deviation statistics to make sure nothing goofy was going on Standard deviation for a run like that on my 5370B is typically 30 to 40ps. John

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-11 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/11/2007 15:29:46 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am trying to set up a Win98 machine with GPIB since I bought a quite old version of Visi from Wavecrest that runs only on Win98. Did you try using compatibility mode on WinXP to run that software?

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Wavecrest Visi

2007-04-11 Thread SAIDJACK
In a message dated 4/11/2007 14:22:14 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought I remember from the manual that there's a whole set of nice SCPI commands. Can't you just send them by hand or code something up using the USB-GPIB board? /tvb If only I had the time...

Re: [time-nuts] GPS: ADEV or MDEV?

2007-04-11 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Hal Murray wrote: Surely it would be much simpler (in principle at least) to just to add sufficient Gaussian phase noise to the GPS receiver clock so that potential coherence problems are virtually eliminated. It doesn't look reasonable to me, but I'm not good at this sort of math.

Re: [time-nuts] flaot representation of phase measurements (was Re: time-nuts Digest, Vol 33, Issue 29)

2007-04-11 Thread Christopher Hoover
Incidentally, I've found that it is important to be quite careful with your floating point handling when representing a quantity of seconds with picosecond resolution in an IEEE 64-bit float. Can you give me an example of where you'd run into this? I ask because typically I think one