Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Tom Van Baak
Richard, One more thing, maybe I missed this earlier in the thread, but can you really call it sawtooth correction when you apply a receiver reported correction (with 1 ns granularity) to a 1PPS signal (with 9 ns RMS or +/- 15 p-p jitter) as coarsely measured by a 100 MHz TIC (with 10 ns

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore batteries (and others)

2008-04-06 Thread Matthew Smith
Hi Folks snip/ http://www.synergy-gps.com/content/view/42/89/ snip/ http://www.rabel.org/archives/Motorola_Oncore/ snip/ Thanks for those - I put a few of those in my library and have also downloaded winOncore12 - which also can't bring that one GT+ back to life, even with the battery

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Richard, One more thing, maybe I missed this earlier in the thread, but can you really call it sawtooth correction when you apply a receiver reported correction (with 1 ns granularity) to a 1PPS signal (with 9 ns RMS or +/- 15 p-p jitter) as coarsely measured by a 100 MHz TIC (with 10 ns

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Richard H McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:20:56 -0800 (AKDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard, Hello, I looked at the dual standard data from yesterdays run, and once again the predominance of the short-term variations in

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:16:36 +1200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce, The data I am trying to determine is the GPS short-term phase error based on the results from comparing the same receiver to

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:30:52 +1200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] METHOD 2: If one uses an ADC to sample say a 1MHz sinewave (produced by dividing down the OCXO frequency and low pass filtering) on the PPS

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:02:34 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard, One more thing, maybe I missed this earlier in the thread, but can you really call it sawtooth correction when you apply a receiver

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: From: Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:30:52 +1200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] METHOD 2: If one uses an ADC to sample say a 1MHz sinewave (produced by dividing down the OCXO frequency and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Didier Juges
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:18 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction Actually, in this application will a bit of

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Tom Van Baak
Actually, in this application will a bit of interlocking not hurt, as the two oscillators should longterm have the same frequency and interlocking will pull them together to their average frequency. If you further aid this interlocking by externally couple them together for higher

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
That also leads to a thought I've had -- if you have a pair of roughly comparable oscillators at say 5 MHz, what about combining their outputs in a mixer and using the 10 MHz sum output which (apart from noise added by the mixer) ought to be sqrt-2 better than either unit alone? John Tom Van

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Tom Van Baak wrote: Actually, in this application will a bit of interlocking not hurt, as the two oscillators should longterm have the same frequency and interlocking will pull them together to their average frequency. If you further aid this interlocking by externally couple them

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:19:11 +1200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Van Baak wrote: Actually, in this application will a bit of interlocking not hurt, as the two oscillators should longterm have the