Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Dave, Ah I meant a 1600Mhz AM RX not a MW job the resuly is quite dramatic from seeing no usable satelites to seeing 10 to 12. The software we are running plots the tracks of the those sats seen so we can see that when seen even close to trees, foliage shielding is not a problem. I could post

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Tom Brilliant I hadnt thought of the fields actually affecting the operation of the electronics! that is certainly something that might be interesting to check. I note there lines have three phase feeds but no neutral wire so they must use ground as the return path to any unbalance currents.(?)

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Arnold Tibus
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:27:31 +0100, Alan Melia wrote: I note there lines have three phase feeds but no neutral wire so they must use ground as the return path to any unbalance currents.(?) As long as the system is kept balanced a 3 phase energy transport system does not need a 4th wire as

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread David Ackrill
Alan Melia wrote: Hi Tom Brilliant I hadnt thought of the fields actually affecting the operation of the electronics! that is certainly something that might be interesting to check. I note there lines have three phase feeds but no neutral wire so they must use ground as the return path to any

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread David Ackrill
Arnold Tibus wrote: As long as the system is kept balanced a 3 phase energy transport system does not need a 4th wire as the sum of all the currents in the 3 wires (phase shift 120deg between the wires) is zero! regards Arnold, DK2WT That is true Arnold, but in the UK (and in some other

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Around all high voltage lines the air is somewhat ionized and this may result in sufficient free electrons to seriously mess up the GPS signal, although I wouldn't expect much trouble from a 11kV line. The fact that the navigation message is 50Hz in the GPS signal and the power-grid in the UK is

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread David Ackrill
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The fact that the navigation message is 50Hz in the GPS signal and the power-grid in the UK is close to 50Hz is not a good thing in any case. By UK law, it must be within +/- 1% of 50Hz. :-) Dave (G0DJA) ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Didier, thanks for that idea, yes they were all pucks all Garmin two intended for marine use and one was a old Garmin GPSIIplus with a mag puck. I have a Trimble Palisade that I have not got round to working on yet, but I understand that there are problems putting this version into NMEA

[time-nuts] Trimble Palisade (Was - GPS shielding by power lines?)

2008-08-10 Thread David Ackrill
Alan Melia wrote: Hi Didier, thanks for that idea, yes they were all pucks all Garmin two intended for marine use and one was a old Garmin GPSIIplus with a mag puck. I have a Trimble Palisade that I have not got round to working on yet, but I understand that there are problems putting this

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Ackrill writes: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The fact that the navigation message is 50Hz in the GPS signal and the power-grid in the UK is close to 50Hz is not a good thing in any case. By UK law, it must be within +/- 1% of 50Hz. :-) Yeah, but the fact that

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Didier Juges
Alan, I recommend you look for an HP 58532A. I bought a brand new one on eBay for $50 BIN, sometimes you can do better. This is a good timing-grade antenna, and intended to stay outside for a long time. They have good filtering and the LNA is shielded. Didier KO4BB -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Henk ten Pierick
Hi, In car radio capacitive antennas are used. The required LNA rejection for the power line frequency is in the order of 100dB. henk On Aug 10, 2008, at 15:16, Alan Melia wrote: Hi Didier, thanks for that idea, yes they were all pucks all Garmin two intended for marine use and one was

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Scott Mace
Around here they place cell antennas on a monopole down the center of power transmission line towers. The GPS antennas are invariably directly below the 100-200kv lines. The GPS signal must be reliable enough or the cell sites wouldn't be there. Scott Alan Melia wrote: Hi all, in

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread Arnold Tibus
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:05:47 +0100, David Ackrill wrote: Arnold Tibus wrote: As long as the system is kept balanced a 3 phase energy transport system does not need a 4th wire as the sum of all the currents in the 3 wires (phase shift 120deg between the wires) is zero! regards Arnold,

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt for ntpd or gpsd

2008-08-10 Thread Chris Kuethe
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Scott Mace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ntpshm_put() needs to be called in the 0xab case as well for ntp to work. done. --- gpsd/trunk/tsip.c 2008-08-08 23:38:27.0 -0500 +++ ../gpsd/trunk/tsip.c2008-08-09 04:14:09.0 -0500 @@ -65,7 +65,7

[time-nuts] Designing and building an OCXO and GPSDO

2008-08-10 Thread Philip Pemberton
Hi folks, I've been following the mailing list for a few weeks using Pipermail (the web-based archive) and I figured now was a good time to jump in (so to speak). I'm working on a GPS-disciplined oscillator, based on a Trimble SVeeSix GPS receiver, and a homebrew OCXO. I've got a pair of

Re: [time-nuts] Designing and building an OCXO and GPSDO

2008-08-10 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Philip Pemberton wrote: Hi folks, I've been following the mailing list for a few weeks using Pipermail (the web-based archive) and I figured now was a good time to jump in (so to speak). I'm working on a GPS-disciplined oscillator, based on a Trimble SVeeSix GPS receiver, and a

Re: [time-nuts] Designing and building an OCXO and GPSDO

2008-08-10 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Philip When using a crystal in an oven you should use a crystal specified for oven operation at a specific temperature. The crystal frequency should be specified for the desired oven temperature. For example for an AT cut crystal the crystal frequency can be approximated by as a cubic function

Re: [time-nuts] Designing and building an OCXO and GPSDO

2008-08-10 Thread WB6BNQ
Hello Philip, I agree with Bruce about the digital stuff and semiconductor temperature sensors, etc. From your commentary I think you should do some reading before proceeding. Here are some suggestions; The first is a series of Application notes from Agilent (old hp test div)

Re: [time-nuts] GPS shielding by power lines?

2008-08-10 Thread David McGaw
You didn't say if you tried the antenna under the power lines but outside the cabin. What is translucent to light may not be to microwaves. David N1HAC At 05:15 PM 8/9/2008, you wrote: Hi all, in the process of setting up a GPS time standard for a Radio Astronomy facility (amateur) we