Re: [time-nuts] I now have a clock accurate to 10E-6!!!

2008-08-25 Thread J. L. Trantham
Folks, I, too, had a great weekend. The Thunderbolt arrived, plugged it in, and it promptly found it's self. I can't wait to put it to work. Thanks to all (TAPR, time-nuts, etc.) for their effort on my behalf. My father (now deceased) collected and repaired clocks for 60 years leaving my broth

[time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-25 Thread Mark Sims
Pointless overkill? Ask those people in New Orleans what happens when originals and backups are kept in the same city. I know of several (ex) businesses that wisely kept their backups in different buildings there... all were lost. Ask my friends in Jarrell, Texas (or what's left of them af

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-25 Thread GerryG
Never been a fan of clone backups, unless it's a primary server and you have identical machines available. As for backups in distant cities or protected storage vaults, I'd sorta think that depends on what you really need... Another issue with clone backups of system drives, is that I've seen more

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt question

2008-08-25 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
Ah, excellent. I'm also a TAPR member. Thank you. Tom Van Baak wrote: >> I missed out on the group buy because I didn't hear >> about it until it was over. >> >> I'm looking at the one that fluke is selling on eBay, >> version 3.00. Has anyone had any problems with these? >> >> Mike - AA8K >

Re: [time-nuts] I now have a clock accurate to 10E-6!!!

2008-08-25 Thread Jim Palfreyman
I will get that photo for you. (I didn't actually use a flash - that's just the halogen floor light I use to see what I'm doing.) Also, being a keen amateur photographer with some quite decent equipment I'll put some effort in and make it a good one! In that rack actually is a speaking clock (inst

Re: [time-nuts] I now have a clock accurate to 10E-6!!!

2008-08-25 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Yes the pendulum is a 14mm Riefler. I gather that's significant? Jim 2008/8/25 Thomas A. Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jim; > > Congratulations, that is a really nice looking clock! > > You may have a real gem there. While the movement doesn't look like > anything special, the pendulum looks lik

Re: [time-nuts] E-5680A C-field trimer ??

2008-08-25 Thread Brian Kirby
Mark, which pot is it ? Rex and myself bought units that were not programmable. Both of us have tweaked the pots and have not seen any change in drift. I turned pots 1 turn per day and did phase observations, over the course of a week. They guy that sold these units on ebay claimed they were

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-25 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:30:33 +, Mark Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Any backup that is stored in the same city as the original (some would say >within 100 miles of the city) is NOT a backup. It is just a disk waiting for >a (real) disaster. No fire proof safe, baggie, etc is a substi

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-25 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:51:35 -0400, "Bruce Lanning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In regard to the below info, I downloaded xxclone and it does appear to be >the type of backup program that I have been looking for, BUT I can not get >my C: drive to come up in the source or the target window. I am

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-25 Thread Chris Kuethe
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Mark Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any backup that is stored in the same city as the original (some would say > within 100 miles of the city) is NOT a backup. It is just a disk waiting for > a (real) disaster. No fire proof safe, baggie, etc is a substit

[time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-25 Thread Mark Sims
Any backup that is stored in the same city as the original (some would say within 100 miles of the city) is NOT a backup. It is just a disk waiting for a (real) disaster. No fire proof safe, baggie, etc is a substitute for physical distance. ___

[time-nuts] E-5680A C-field trimer ??

2008-08-25 Thread Mark Sims
Actually the 5680A and 5650A units that have the DDS do have a C-field pot. The DDS is only accurate to 0.01 Hz. They set the C-field to minimum, program the DDS constant that gets the closest to the desired freq into the CPU chip (this is what gets reported by the "S" command), then they t

Re: [time-nuts] While we're discussing backups...

2008-08-25 Thread Bruce Lanning
In regard to the below info, I downloaded xxclone and it does appear to be the type of backup program that I have been looking for, BUT I can not get my C: drive to come up in the source or the target window. I am running XP on a COMPAQ Presario if that helps. Could anyone tell me why I can not

Re: [time-nuts] hpgps ntp refclock driver and leap second

2008-08-25 Thread Scott Mace
With the oncore VP in the z3801a isn't this a bug/feature of the Bj command to announce it as soon as it is available, while other/newer receivers wait till the month prior? There is even a workaround for this in the oncore refclock driver. Scott Greg Dowd wrote: > In NTPv4, the warning

Re: [time-nuts] hpgps ntp refclock driver and leap second

2008-08-25 Thread Greg Dowd
In NTPv4, the warning is propagated as soon as it is available. If it were more than 6 months in advance, this could be an issue but that hasn't happened yet. NTP also ignores the alternate (Mar/Sept) leap windows by design. Greg Dowd gdowd at symmetricom dot com (antispam format) Symmetrico

[time-nuts] hpgps ntp refclock driver and leap second

2008-08-25 Thread Scott Mace
Shouldn't the hpgps ntp driver wait to raise the leap second flag until a month before the leap second and not whenever the satellite happens to first transmit it? See attached patch. diff -u refclock_hpgps.c.orig refclock_hpgps.c --- refclock_hpgps.c.orig 2008-08-25 09:49:59.0 -05

Re: [time-nuts] I now have a clock accurate to 10E-6!!!

2008-08-25 Thread Neon John
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:40:14 +1000, "Jim Palfreyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi Folks, > >Well I've had the best weekend since I've just acquired a pendulum clock >that used to be a telecommunication time standard in the 50s. Nice. I'd love to have a photo of that with both the clock and th

Re: [time-nuts] I now have a clock accurate to 10E-6!!!

2008-08-25 Thread Thomas A. Frank
Jim; Congratulations, that is a really nice looking clock! You may have a real gem there. While the movement doesn't look like anything special, the pendulum looks like a Riefler. Which is something quite special...sort of like having a Thunderbolt inside your bedside alarm clock... Tom Fr

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A C-field trimer ??

2008-08-25 Thread wje
Yes, I forgot about those. If I remember correctly, a -20 option has DDS. It's sometimes hard to tell which one you have without opening it up. My 5680A came from an EBay auction where the seller claimed it was programmable. It wasn't. It has the non-DDS 10 Mhz sine output. However,

Re: [time-nuts] I now have a clock accurate to 10E-6!!!

2008-08-25 Thread paul
Jim Palfreyman wrote: > Here's an an extra photo showing the clock mechanism after the face and > hands have been removed. > > Jim Almost identical to the master clock(s) that were used to synchronise the British Railways station clocks in about 1980. A 48v 1pps was distributed by private wire

Re: [time-nuts] I now have a clock accurate to 10E-6!!!

2008-08-25 Thread f5bqp_pfm
Congratulation Jim, you really have a nice pendulum!!! pf (Pierre-François) F5BQP - Original Message - From: "Jim Palfreyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] I now have a cl

Re: [time-nuts] I now have a clock accurate to 10E-6!!!

2008-08-25 Thread Morris Odell
You are a lucky man with foresight! One of the many bruises I have accumulated over years of kicking myself relates to passing up on an offer to obtain a couple of those. I do have a rather mundane grandfather clock which would benefit from the 1 pps treatment though. Just need to pursuade the

Re: [time-nuts] Efratom LPRO Rubidium Manual

2008-08-25 Thread Didier Juges
That's the same manual I have on my web site: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl Search for LPRO Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Martinson > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:56 AM > To: Discussion of precise