Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Steve Rooke
Ulrich, 2009/4/11 Ulrich Bangert df...@ulrich-bangert.de: So why would my counter show any significant differences between a 1 sec or 2 sec gate time? suppose your source has a 0.5 Hz frequency modulation. Would you see it with 2 s gate time or a integer multiple of it? Would you notice it

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Steve Rooke
Tom, 2009/4/11 Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com: Nevertheless leaving every second sample out is NOT exactly the same as continous data with Tau0 = 2 s. Instead it is data with Tau0 = 1 s and a DEAD TIME of 1s. There are dead time correction schemes available in the literature. Ulrich, and

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Steve Rooke
2009/4/11 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org: Tom Van Baak skrev: Nevertheless leaving every second sample out is NOT exactly the same as continous data with Tau0 = 2 s. Instead it is data with Tau0 = 1 s and a DEAD TIME of 1s. There are dead time correction schemes available in the

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Steve Steve Rooke wrote: 2009/4/11 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org: Tom Van Baak skrev: Nevertheless leaving every second sample out is NOT exactly the same as continous data with Tau0 = 2 s. Instead it is data with Tau0 = 1 s and a DEAD TIME of 1s. There are dead time

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Steve Steve Rooke wrote: If I take two sequential phase readings from an input source and place this into one data set and aniother two readings from the same source but spaced by one cycle and put this in a second data set. From the first data set I can calculate ADEV for tau = 1s and can

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Rex
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Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Rex wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: ... Brice An impostor? An alias? :-) And I thought I was alluding to aliasing of the phase noise spectrum not the characters of the alphabet. Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Steve Rooke skrev: 2009/4/11 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org: Tom Van Baak skrev: Nevertheless leaving every second sample out is NOT exactly the same as continous data with Tau0 = 2 s. Instead it is data with Tau0 = 1 s and a DEAD TIME of 1s. There are dead time correction

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bruce Griffiths skrev: Rex wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: ... Brice An impostor? An alias? :-) And I thought I was alluding to aliasing of the phase noise spectrum not the characters of the alphabet. So it is not a case of shot noise of Bruce fingers? :) I know mine

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Hej Magnus Magnus Danielson wrote: Bruce Griffiths skrev: Rex wrote: Bruce Griffiths wrote: ... Brice An impostor? An alias? :-) And I thought I was alluding to aliasing of the phase noise spectrum not the characters of the

[time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Mark Sims
Hello Steve, Try this... take Tom's sample data set, run the numbers. Then, using a good random number generator, make another data set by randomly throwing out half (or more) of the samples (to simulate a non ZDT counter). Run the numbers again. See how they change. This should give

[time-nuts] HP 1938 revisited

2009-04-12 Thread wje
Fluke.l (China) was selling a number of 1938's on Ebay. I snagged one just to have a piece of HP history. It works just fine, but I've noticed something a little strange. Comparing the 1938 to both my cesium and GPS standards, there's a distinct periodic 1ns phase shift every second. Seems to

Re: [time-nuts] HP 1938 revisited

2009-04-12 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
wje wrote: Fluke.l (China) was selling a number of 1938's on Ebay. I snagged one just to have a piece of HP history. It works just fine, but I've noticed something a little strange. Comparing the 1938 to both my cesium and GPS standards, there's a distinct periodic 1ns phase shift every

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Steve Rooke
Bruce, 2009/4/12 Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz: Steve Steve Rooke wrote: If I take two sequential phase readings from an input source and place this into one data set and aniother two readings from the same source but spaced by one cycle and put this in a second data set. From

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-12 Thread Steve Rooke
2009/4/13 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org: Dead time is when the counter looses track of time in between two consecutive measurements. A zero dead-time counter uses the stop of one measure as the start of the next measure. This becomes very important when the data to be measured

Re: [time-nuts] HP 1938 revisited

2009-04-12 Thread J. L. Trantham
I, too, snagged one of these since it has the reputation of being the ultimate achievement of crystal oscillator technology with the goal of building a GPS controlled reference using a Brooks Shera controller card and a GPS receiver. Toward that end, since it takes a few minutes for the 1938 to

Re: [time-nuts] HP 1938 revisited

2009-04-12 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
J. L. Trantham wrote: I, too, snagged one of these since it has the reputation of being the ultimate achievement of crystal oscillator technology with the goal of Thanks, we thought it was pretty good :-) Toward that end, since it takes a few minutes for the 1938 to 'lock', is there a

[time-nuts] time-nuts Rockwell Jupiter 12-channel GPS receiver OEM module

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Monett
If nobody has already mentioned it, Fluke.1 has the Rockwell Tu00-D205 high performance 12-channel GPS receiver OEM modules for $9.99 ea with free shipping worldwide, item number: 290306684157 These appear to have the 10KHz output described at

Re: [time-nuts] HP 1938 revisited

2009-04-12 Thread J. L. Trantham
Thanks for the info. My plan is to develop a stable GPS disciplined reference suitable for use as a reference for Microwave work in the 10 GHz range that can be used in portable locations with relatively quick start up. Perhaps the 1938 would be better in the shop where it could be left on for

[time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Monett
Chris The biggest problem with the OCXO is probably that it has a square wave output. With careful design it is possible to achieve a jitter of a few tens of femtosec for a logic level output from a limiter, but the OCXO designers are unlikely to have used such a limiter.