Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-13 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mike Monett wrote: Chris The biggest problem with the OCXO is probably that it has a square wave output. With careful design it is possible to achieve a jitter of a few tens of femtosec for a logic level output from a limiter, but the OCXO designers are unlikely to

[time-nuts] Fluke, and E1938

2009-04-13 Thread SAIDJACK
Thanks for the tip Magnus! One comment on the 1938 discussion: I recently fired-up my E1938 disciplined by our Fury GPSDO. It took 3+ days for the retrace (aging) to slow down significantly. Now it's working really well. Said In a message dated 4/11/2009 13:53:41 Pacific Daylight Time,

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Rockwell Jupiter 12-channel GPS receiver OEM module

2009-04-13 Thread Eamon Skelton
Mike Monett wrote: If nobody has already mentioned it, Fluke.1 has the Rockwell Tu00-D205 high performance 12-channel GPS receiver OEM modules for $9.99 ea with free shipping worldwide, item number: 290306684157 These appear to have the 10KHz output described at

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Rockwell Jupiter 12-channel GPS receiver OEM module

2009-04-13 Thread ernieperes
Hi Gents, It is actually a Rockwell Microtracker gps module and not a JUPITER board!! 5channel +5V board... also the 20pin header is different then the JUPITER. I still have a few docs . Please contact offline if you need more. Rgds Ernie. -Original Message- From: Eamon Skelton

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Steve Rooke wrote: Hi Mark, 2009/4/13 Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com: Hello Steve, Try this... take Tom's sample data set, run the numbers. Then, using a good random number generator, make another data set by randomly throwing out half (or more) of the samples (to simulate a non

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Steve, Steve Rooke wrote: Bruce, 2009/4/12 Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz: Steve Steve Rooke wrote: If I take two sequential phase readings from an input source and place this into one data set and aniother two readings from the same source but spaced by one cycle and put

Re: [time-nuts] HP 1938 revisited

2009-04-13 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
J. L. Trantham wrote: Thanks for the info. My plan is to develop a stable GPS disciplined reference suitable for use as a reference for Microwave work in the 10 GHz range that can be used in portable locations with relatively quick start up. Perhaps the 1938 would be better in the shop

[time-nuts] Spring cleaning and antenna placement

2009-04-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow timenuts, You know you are a time-nut when your spring cleanup dutines involves getting onto the rooftop and clean your GPS antennas. In my case my dual frequency antenna (really a survey antenna, a Novatel GPS 502 L1/L2) was due to lack of patience temporarily put up there in a not so

Re: [time-nuts] Spring cleaning and antenna placement

2009-04-13 Thread brooke
Hi Magnus: Why not just put the GPS antenna at the top of the existing TV mast? http://www.prc68.com/I/Ant.shtml#SBant Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Fellow timenuts, You know you are a time-nut when your spring cleanup dutines involves getting onto the rooftop and clean

Re: [time-nuts] Spring cleaning and antenna placement

2009-04-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
bro...@pacific.net skrev: Hi Magnus: Why not just put the GPS antenna at the top of the existing TV mast? http://www.prc68.com/I/Ant.shtml#SBant It would be a little bit of a challenge... I think I have some 4-5 meter of additional heigth, the tiling is slippery and then antenna rig is

Re: [time-nuts] Spring cleaning and antenna placement

2009-04-13 Thread brooke
Hi Magnus: Safety is the # 1 concern. It may be that if you can minimize the multipath problems having the GPS antenna near the roof is not a problem? I'm starting to do some antenna related tests using the Polaris Guide (DAGR) GPS receiver, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/DAGR.shtml#GLS and scroll

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-13 Thread Steve Rooke
2009/4/13 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org: But randomly throwing out data points would introduce ZDT. It would introduce dead-time, it would not introduce zero dead-time (ZDT). Dropping every second sample of a phase/time-error series can maintain the zero dead-time property, but

Re: [time-nuts] Spring cleaning and antenna placement

2009-04-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Joseph M Gwinn skrev: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 04/13/2009 11:32:48 AM: bro...@pacific.net skrev: Hi Magnus: Why not just put the GPS antenna at the top of the existing TV mast? http://www.prc68.com/I/Ant.shtml#SBant It would be a little bit of a challenge... I think I have some

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Steve Rooke skrev: 2009/4/13 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org: But randomly throwing out data points would introduce ZDT. It would introduce dead-time, it would not introduce zero dead-time (ZDT). Dropping every second sample of a phase/time-error series can maintain the zero

Re: [time-nuts] Spring cleaning and antenna placement

2009-04-13 Thread Peter Putnam
Magnus, If you replace your RG-58 with RG-6 TV coax, your loss issues will disappear. The difference in impedance (75 ohms instead of 50) is not enough to cause problems. Adapters to the pre-fitted F connectors are readily available. And it's not expensive. Regards, Peter

[time-nuts] Power Supplies for Rubidiums OCXOs - etc...

2009-04-13 Thread Mike Feher
I recently purchased a lot of 24 volt 5 amp switching power supplies. Well, they are marked 5 amps, but, I was able to get 7 out of them without any problem, with the exception that my resistive load was getting too hot. These are very nice supplies, look like an oversized laptop power supply. I

Re: [time-nuts] Spring cleaning and antenna placement

2009-04-13 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 04/13/2009 11:32:48 AM: bro...@pacific.net skrev: Hi Magnus: Why not just put the GPS antenna at the top of the existing TV mast? http://www.prc68.com/I/Ant.shtml#SBant It would be a little bit of a challenge... I think I have some 4-5 meter of

[time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-13 Thread Mark Sims
The whole purpose of taking a data set from a known ZDT counter and then throwing out random samples is to simulate the kind of data that a normal counter would produce. You could compare the results and get an idea of how using a normal counter for calculating adevs would compare to using a

Re: [time-nuts] Characterising frequency standards

2009-04-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Mark, Mark Sims skrev: The whole purpose of taking a data set from a known ZDT counter and then throwing out random samples is to simulate the kind of data that a normal counter would produce. You could compare the results and get an idea of how using a normal counter for calculating