Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Dave Ackrill
M. Warner Losh wrote: I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. Thanks for the suggestions to use something else, but not an option. Like I say, I *have* fedora, I'm not planning to uninstall it as it was installed for me and I don't want the hassle. HI Dave (G0DJA)

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a0d0fa0.3020...@tiscali.co.uk Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk writes: : M. Warner Losh wrote: : : I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. : : Thanks for the suggestions to use something else, but not an option. : : Like I say, I *have* fedora, I'm not planning

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal Murray skrev: 2D positioning requires at least 3 sats for resolving Lat, Long, T (really X, Y, Z and T which a fixed relationship between X, Y and Z so given two the third will be given, as the heigth is assumed). This has been discussed before, but I still don't really understand it. I

Re: [time-nuts] Brandywine GPS-4

2009-05-15 Thread Jason Rabel
Jeroen, I have v2.1 v2.2 of the PDF Manual. No real differences that I can see, just a couple non-necessary pages. The only other bit of info I have that might be of some use, I saved the startup text a while back, it should look something like this: L=load ESC=RUN. Initialise - Clear

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Jason Rabel
Dave, Fedora will be fine as a basic network time server. If NTP isn't already installed on the system, all you have to do is type (as root): yum install ntp The default config usually queries the NTP Pool. Depending on where you live you might want to edit the file to use only your country's

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread phil
- Original Message - From: M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com To: time-nuts@febo.com; dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers In message: 4a0d0fa0.3020...@tiscali.co.uk Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Folkert van Heusden
You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy much faster in what respect? tested how? Folkert van Heusden -- www.vanheusden.com/multitail - multitail is tail on steroids. multiple

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Steve Rooke
2009/5/16 phil fort...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com To: time-nuts@febo.com; dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers In message: 4a0d0fa0.3020...@tiscali.co.uk

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Folkert van Heusden
Anyone got any good Linux time systems for PCs ? Make sure you have a recent kernel installed with the PPS patch applied: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == *127.127.20.1

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090515142600.gg2...@vanheusden.com Folkert van Heusden folk...@vanheusden.com writes: : You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just : timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy : : much faster in what respect?

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Folkert van Heusden
: You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just : timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy : : much faster in what respect? tested how? The usual benchmark that's cited here is the mysql tps scaling better than Linux. See for

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090515152610.gi2...@vanheusden.com Folkert van Heusden folk...@vanheusden.com writes: : : You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just : : timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy : : : : much faster in what

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20090515152610.gi2...@vanheusden.com, Folkert van Heusden writes: What would be interesting is how a specific linux-kernel with the pps patches by rodolpho compare to a specific freebsd version with the same ntpd compiled using the same gcc and such. I think first of all, it would be

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20090515.095406.-1739011364@bsdimp.com, M. Warner Losh write s: When FreeBSD switched from gcc 3.x to gcc 4.x, I did measurements of the ability of the kernel to track a PPS (also changes with the major revision of the kernel). I found that there was no measurable difference

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Folkert van Heusden
What would be interesting is how a specific linux-kernel with the pps patches by rodolpho compare to a specific freebsd version with the same ntpd compiled using the same gcc and such. I think first of all, it would be interesting what your quality parameters are... Prescision ?

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20090515161538.gk2...@vanheusden.com, Folkert van Heusden writes: What would be interesting is how a specific linux-kernel with the pps patches by rodolpho compare to a specific freebsd version with the same ntpd compiled using the same gcc and such. I think first of all, it would

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread bg
Anyone got any good Linux time systems for PCs ? Make sure you have a recent kernel installed with the PPS patch applied: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ==

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread bg
What would be interesting is how a specific linux-kernel with the pps patches by rodolpho compare to a specific freebsd version with the same ntpd compiled using the same gcc and such. I think first of all, it would be interesting what your quality parameters are... Prescision ?

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-15 Thread bg
Hi Ulrich, mind. On the other hand: If a good timing receiver has ended his site survey it's position messages stay constant, even if you move it around. Obviously that is not what you expect from a navigation system. Keep navigation and timing receivers clear apart from each other. They are

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Hal Murray
The _sore_ thing is that with 2.4.x-nano kernels offsets/jitter got that good within minutes. Now many years later it takes days... :-( I think that's a bug introduced by the tickless scheduler work. For my daytime use of ntp, convergence in less than 5 minutes is essential. Due to some

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread bg
The _sore_ thing is that with 2.4.x-nano kernels offsets/jitter got that good within minutes. Now many years later it takes days... :-( I think that's a bug introduced by the tickless scheduler work. For my daytime use of ntp, convergence in less than 5 minutes is essential. Due to some