[time-nuts] 747 Chronometer

2009-05-21 Thread Charles Rushing
Greetings To All, Please accept my apologies in advance if this is off-topic. I have just acquired an aircraft clock, which I've tentatively identified as coming from a Boeing 747. It's way cool looking and would make a perfect dust collector in my ham shack if I could only power it up.

Re: [time-nuts] WTB: 10 Volt L1 L2 GPS Antenna

2009-05-21 Thread bg
Hi Brooke, Check Ebay # 270386792376 #200243560108 They are probably dual frequency splitters. Then you connect your Z12 to a DC-block port and either just DC-power or a fitting GPS receiver to power the antenna through the DC-through port. http://gpsnetworking.com/GPS-antenna-splitters.asp

Re: [time-nuts] 747 Chronometer

2009-05-21 Thread Bill Hawkins
Sounds like you need to know more about the instrument power in a 747, perhaps starting with Boeing. You could be needing DC or AC in one or three phases, more likely at 400 Hz. OTOH, the VCR players for movies looked like stock items. The AC generators in aircraft are not likely to have the

Re: [time-nuts] 747 Chronometer

2009-05-21 Thread Francesco Ledda
Most likely, the clock needs 5V for the internal lighting. Many aircrft clocks are mechanical, but some are lectrical and need 28VDC. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Charles Rushing Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:45 AM

Re: [time-nuts] 747 Chronometer

2009-05-21 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Chuck, This is an electromechanical clock. Should just need 24V DC to operate and 5V (ac or dc) for lighting. I'll try to dig out connections for you. --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Charles Rushing crushin2...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Charles Rushing crushin2...@austin.rr.com Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] WTB: 10 Volt L1 L2 GPS Antenna

2009-05-21 Thread Jason Rabel
I was going to suggest using a GPS splitter too, but with a twist. You can find a Bias Tee to block the DC current from the Ashtech (and optionally sink it to ground if it monitors current). That way there is no chance the 10v will reach your antenna. Jason

Re: [time-nuts] 747 Chronometer

2009-05-21 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Charles: It's probably a standard connector. You need to look at it closely with a magnifying glass at all the surfaces for ID information. 99% of the time there's printed or engraved or moulded information that is enough to ID the panel receptacle. Then it's straight forward to find

Re: [time-nuts] WTB: 10 Volt L1 L2 GPS Antenna

2009-05-21 Thread Brooke Clarke
Thanks Björn: I've got both of them on order and it's a way to start using the Z-12. But my L1/L2 antennas are military patch types and for the Z-12 I'd like to use a geodetic grade (ground plane or choke ring) antenna long term. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com

Re: [time-nuts] Haydon aircraft clock

2009-05-21 Thread Paul Nelson
These clocks are generally driven by 24 volts, not AC 400Hz- BUT they almost all have an external time base which provides a two-phase 60Hz signal. I have several of them, and have been able to find one timebase to power em with I have some documentation squirreled away and I'll look it up

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Mark Sims wrote: I have done quite a bit of work replacing fans in old equipment with modern fans. I have never seen a case where replacing a hurricane level fan with a whisper quiet fan made any real difference in the cooling inside the unit... typically one sees less than +/- 5C

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 4a15808f.4090...@karlquist.com, Richard (Rick) Karlquist writes: Modern fans obey the same laws of physics as the original equipment. They don't magically produce more airflow for less noise. Agreed: there is no magic to it. But a lot has happened in aerodynamics since Hermann Papst

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Lux, James P
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Richard (Rick) Karlquist Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:26 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more (actually 5370A

Re: [time-nuts] 747 Chronometer

2009-05-21 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Charles, I had a dig, but could only find info on the current clocks that receive time info on an ARINC 429 serial bus, and an earlier hybrid LCD / mechanical model that needs an external 1PPS (I'd like one of those). I've never seen an aircraft clock that needed an external 60Hz signal.

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Didier Juges
Part of the problem is that in some equipment (not all, but based on my experience, most), the noise comes from not from the fan itself, but from poor air routing inside the equipment itself. The air moving around encumbered passage makes noise. As someone pointed out earlier, take the fan out of

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Hal Murray
This is incorrect. ECL components require a minimum airflow velocity that is rather high. The purpose of the large fan is to maintain this velocity. If a smaller fan is used, the ECL components will get hotter, even though the air flowing past them is not much hotter. When you say the fan

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Rick Karlquist
Hal Murray wrote: How much ECL is used in a 5070? A bunch How tightly are they packed? You need a high cooling velocity even if just one chip. How much of the heat goes directly from the chip to the air rather than from chip to board to air? A substantial amount of cooling is from DIP to

[time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Mark Sims
Hello Karl, When I tested my quiet 12V fans in the 5370As, I placed 6 thermocouples around the guts of the machine. I made a point of sticking a couple of them on heatsinked chips. The new fan made no significant difference in the readings on any of the thermocouples. All the readings

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Jim Hall
When I worked in RD at HP's Microwave Division (1972 ~ 1976) and HP LaserJet Division (1976 ~ 2000) we designed all our products to meet specifications across a temperature range of -20 to +55 degrees Centigrade. I would assume this was a standard requirement across most if not all HP products

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The ECL and EECL chips are located on A22 (arming board), A19 + A20 (interpolator boards), A18, A17 (count chain assembly) A8 (reference buffer), A21 (multiplier assembly). The interpolator boards are more or less directly in line with the ducted airflow from the fan as are the reference buffer

[time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Mark Sims
A8? Reference buffer? Gee, I thought was the electrostatic dust magnet ;-) That puppy can grow more fuzz than a sheepdog. In all the machines I have worked on, it was utterly disgusting. BTW, the best way to locate where to drill the access hole for the oscillator tuning pot is to look

Re: [time-nuts] 5070B once more.... (actually 5370A fans)

2009-05-21 Thread Jim Palfreyman
I came home one day to find *that* smell in my workshop. It turned out to be my HP 3325B. It had been on for ages and it had also been a warm day. I looked at the back and found the intake completely blocked up with dust. It seems to still work, but I need to open it right up and check it out

[time-nuts] 74HC390 Dividers

2009-05-21 Thread Brian Kirby
I had shown some previous data on 74HC390 dividers (10 Mhz input and using them to generate 5 Mhz, 1 Mhz, and 1 PPS) and John had asked about some longer term data. So here it is, 100K ADEV with the 5370B on internal clock Mean nS, Min nS, Max nS, STD pS 77.3434 76.82 77.83 213 76.9330

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 58, Issue 51

2009-05-21 Thread Paul Nelson
Well, I found some stuff on this clock... from a few handwritten notes I made several years ago, there exist both types; those that have an internal timebase, and those that require an external timebase. The clock that I can put my hands on right now is an A15586; I have a couple more. The