Re: [time-nuts] How do time-nuts measure phase noise?

2009-08-18 Thread Rex
John Miles wrote: That NIST box looks very nice but I have no idea what it does. If it's just a quadrature PLL and collection of filters, that can be done for a lot less than $4000. If it's got features like an ensemble of built-in reference oscillators, then $4000 could be a bargain. --

Re: [time-nuts] How do time-nuts measure phase noise?

2009-08-18 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:18:58 +1200, you wrote: 1) Use 3 sources, S1, S2 and X. 2) Phase lock S1 in quadrature to X using a diode double balanced mixer using a low bandwidth PLL. 3) Phase lock S2 in quadrature to X using a diode double balanced mixer using a low bandwidth PLL. Then for

Re: [time-nuts] How do time-nuts measure phase noise?

2009-08-18 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:18:58 +1200, you wrote: 1) Use 3 sources, S1, S2 and X. 2) Phase lock S1 in quadrature to X using a diode double balanced mixer using a low bandwidth PLL. 3) Phase lock S2 in quadrature to X using a diode double balanced mixer using a

[time-nuts] Pizza anyone?

2009-08-18 Thread Mark Sims
I bought a couple of pizza pans for the GPS Patch Antenna Improvement Program... preliminary results: My 15+ year old Magellan patch antenna (actually made by Murata) would barely function with the Tbolt. It was (barely) tracking three satellites and going through long periods of

Re: [time-nuts] Pizza anyone?

2009-08-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Mark, I'll take salami, onion and mozzarella... Mark Sims wrote: I bought a couple of pizza pans for the GPS Patch Antenna Improvement Program... preliminary results: My 15+ year old Magellan patch antenna (actually made by Murata) would barely function with the Tbolt. It was (barely)

Re: [time-nuts] Pizza anyone?

2009-08-18 Thread Don Latham
Hi all: for the proper dimensions, see some of the sections of W1GHZ's microwave antenna handbook to get the appropriate size for the pizza pan choke. Mark may have gotten lucky... Don Magnus Danielson Mark, I'll take salami, onion and mozzarella... Mark Sims wrote: I bought a couple of

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Utility on 8560 was How do time-nuts measure phas...

2009-08-18 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi Joe, I think it is quite limited in the actual phase noise floor you can achieve at carriers 1GHz. A good OCXO will far out-perform this utility due to the noise-floor limits of the 8560 series. To give you an idea, you get about ~90dBc/Hz up to 100Hz offset or so, then 120 - 130dBc

[time-nuts] Accurate 1 pps signals

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, I am trying to achieve accuracy with two frequency standards disciplined to GPS. I am trying to get their 1 pps outputs close to each other as possible. The idea being you put each unit in a different part of the world and the 1 pps outputs are sycronised. So far I have two units

Re: [time-nuts] Pizza anyone?

2009-08-18 Thread J. Forster
I sent this thread to a friend, and he replied: === I bought a couple of pizza pans for the GPS Patch Antenna Improvement Program... preliminary results: My 15+ year old Magellan patch antenna (actually made by Murata) would barely function with the Tbolt. It was (barely) tracking

Re: [time-nuts] Pizza anyone?

2009-08-18 Thread Chuck Harris
It probably isn't a matter of luck. Automotive style antennas were designed to be attached to the roof of the car, which is a ground plane. The pizza pan probably does a good job of simulating a car roof. It is my understanding that the choke rings aren't there to improve the gain, but rather

[time-nuts] Pizza anyone?

2009-08-18 Thread Mark Sims
Yes, I also assumed that having the lip of the pan facing up would not be good. I mounted the antenna on the bottom of the pan. In the center of the top of the pan (the side where the pizza would be) I glued a 5/8-11 nut. This is the standard size used on most surveying instruments,

Re: [time-nuts] Pizza anyone?

2009-08-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Mark Sims wrote: Yes, I also assumed that having the lip of the pan facing up would not be good. I mounted the antenna on the bottom of the pan. In the center of the top of the pan (the side where the pizza would be) I glued a 5/8-11 nut. This is the standard size used on most surveying

Re: [time-nuts] Pizza anyone?

2009-08-18 Thread Rex
Magnus Danielson wrote: Should learn to use nut for simulation. Cheers, Magnus I don't understand. Is nut a program? -Rex ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Pizza anyone?

2009-08-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Rex wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: Should learn to use nut for simulation. Cheers, Magnus I don't understand. Is nut a program? Ehmm... I meant to say nec, as in nec2... which is a simulation program. Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing list

Re: [time-nuts] Accurate 1 pps signals

2009-08-18 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Depending on your antenna location(s) and GPS receivers, that's in the good to very good range. Bob On Aug 18, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Martyn Smith wrote: Hello, I am trying to achieve accuracy with two frequency standards disciplined to GPS. I am trying to get their 1 pps outputs