Re: [time-nuts] OT - Tek 7L18 ROM

2009-11-09 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Dave, That is an issue that needs to be re-emphasized. You can't read the EPROMS in a 7L18 without using multiple rail supplies. +5V alone won't do it. Also, the 7L18 draws too much power for any of the 4 slot scopes. In spite of what the manual says, It is designed to operate in one frame

Re: [time-nuts] OT - Tek 7L18 ROM

2009-11-09 Thread J. Forster
There is also a tekscop...@yahoogroups.com which is a LOT more tolerant of random questions. -John As below, get on the TekScopes list for more info. teksco...@yahoogroups.com is the one to go for. Someone has also started a Microwave equipment group too.

Re: [time-nuts] OT - Tek 7L18 ROM

2009-11-09 Thread Didier Juges
My 7L18 only works in my 7704, and not in any of the two 3 slots mainframes 7603 I had at one time... Maybe the 7603 were defective (they worked with regular plugins at the time, but both developed ps problems soon thereafter), but the 7L18 works fine in the 7704, even with another vertical

[time-nuts] Gigatronics 610 ROM Images.

2009-11-09 Thread Dimitry Borzenko
Hello guys. May be this wrong mail list, but I ask my question and if anyone knows right mail list please lets me know. I have Gigatronics 610 (0.01-8GHz) sweeper with ROM v.4 and have problem with HP emulation (this sweeper has HP commands set and responds as 08340 for dedicated systems). To

Re: [time-nuts] OT - Tek 7L18 ROM

2009-11-09 Thread Adrian
Didier, my 7L18 has been working fine in a 7603. As by the catalog, it is compatible with any of the 7000 mainframes. And, in the '82 catalog, the 7603 is suggested. Btw. both MC schematics show a single +5V supply. The believed to be early schematic shows 6 ea. 512 x 8 ROM's, while the more

Re: [time-nuts] OT - Tek 7L18 ROM

2009-11-09 Thread Christopher Hilton-Johnson
Chuck Harris wrote; That is an issue that needs to be re-emphasized. You can't read the EPROMS in a 7L18 without using multiple rail supplies. +5V alone won't do it. The ROMS in the -01 version of the micro board are MCM68316E and are 5v items. Also, the 7L18 draws too much power for any of

Re: [time-nuts] Calculating frequency differences using Lissajou figures

2009-11-09 Thread paul swed
With Loran C shutting down in Jan, curious if anyone still uses it. I have a z3801 but always liked the Austrons 2100s as another way to check everything. I pulled the old Gertch RLF-1 out of the basement and it still works. (retired it 9 years ago) But a far cry from the Loran chains accuracy and

Re: [time-nuts] Anyone have a Tracor 599h manual?

2009-11-09 Thread EWKehren
I have a manual and I have modified several to 60 KHz. All you have to do is change the Synthesizer. Where are you located. I can mail it to you and you return it with reimbursement of my shipping expenses. By the way Tracor did have a down converter. Bert Kehren Miami In a message

[time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread paul swed
Alan Very sorry if I grabbed your thread. I thought I changed the header I finally found it in the senate votes this weekend. The house and senate voted to shut it down and the president signed it. (We will save .2% of the budget) The USCG and DHS said they had no need. It was very hard

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: It's here: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/Loran/default.htm under: The Operating Status of LORAN-C Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com paul swed wrote: Alan Very sorry if I grabbed your thread. I thought I changed the header I finally found it in the senate votes this weekend.

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Robert Darlington
Anybody looking to buy an Austron 2000c ? Any takers? Any? -Bob On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Alan Very sorry if I grabbed your thread. I thought I changed the header I finally found it in the senate votes this weekend. The house and senate

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread J. Forster
The Congress is UTTERLY CLUELESS. It's supposed to shut down Jan 4, 2010. See: http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/Homeland_Security_FY10_Conference.pdf -John === Anybody looking to buy an Austron 2000c ? Any takers? Any? -Bob On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM, paul swed

[time-nuts] Anyone have a Tracor 599h manual?

2009-11-09 Thread paul swed
Looking to modify a low freq to 60 wwvb. Thanks ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Calculating frequency differences using Lissajoufigures (paulswed)

2009-11-09 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Paul there is a bad case of subject theft here which makes life difficult for searches!! I have had to continue in the hope you seethis message. Do you actually have a definitive statement that Loran-C is closing.?? there is nothing on the USCG or the Megapulse sites. Though there is comment

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Eric Garner
So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation becomes unreliable or unavailable ? On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: The Congress is UTTERLY CLUELESS. It's supposed to shut down Jan 4, 2010. See:

Re: [time-nuts] Gigatronics 610 ROM Images.

2009-11-09 Thread Dimitry Borzenko
Hello John. Thanks, unit is remembering last setting, and has 9 memories; problem is not in memory or RAMS battery. Regards. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:27 PM To:

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread EWKehren
There can be life for many Loran C receivers. They can be used as a high resolution comparator with a Loran C simulator that could be made with a few components and a PIC. Bert Kehren In a message dated 11/9/2009 5:11:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdarling...@gmail.com writes: Anybody

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread paul swed
I believe sextant On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation becomes unreliable or unavailable ? On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: The Congress is UTTERLY CLUELESS.

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Eric Garner wrote: So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation becomes unreliable or unavailable ? But that doesn't happend, right? *ironic tone* With eLoran modernisation, there would be some chance of survival, but obviously focus is on stripping down the suit if it

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread paul swed
My impression is eLORAN is off the table. Since DHS is letting it go also. Sextant, compass, and a good chronometer. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Eric Garner wrote: So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Alan Melia
Sell it into Europe Bob the French are bound to keep the W-European chain going, and VT comms has a 10 year contact to provide eLoran for Trinity house in the UK.does this say something about their belief in Galilleo I wonder !! Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: Robert Darlington

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Paul, It wasnt my thread but the problem does occur that when you edit the subject line it doesnt change the thread title which is embedded in the original message I think. I rather expected the closure to happen. I was a bit surprised that it didnt close last year. My guess is the French will

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
On 11/9/09 2:43 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: I believe sextant On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when satellite navigation becomes unreliable or unavailable ? On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM, J.

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Alan Melia
Dead Reckoning ?? - Original Message - From: Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown So what are ships/planes supposed to if/when

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Lester Veenstra
Sextant and chronometer, of course! Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM les...@veenstras.com m0...@veenstras.com k1...@veenstras.com US Postal Address: PSC 45 Box 781 APO AE 09468 USA UK Postal Address: Dawn Cottage Norwood, Harrogate HG3 1SD, UK Telephones: Office: +44-(0)1423-846-385

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Robert Darlington
Triangulate with cell phone towers?;) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Lester Veenstra m0...@veenstras.com wrote: Sextant and chronometer, of course! Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM les...@veenstras.com m0...@veenstras.com k1...@veenstras.com US Postal Address: PSC 45 Box 781 APO

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message b3bd5fcb0911091410qb5a8846y9ea09caa32003...@mail.gmail.com, Robert Darlington writes: Anybody looking to buy an Austron 2000c ? Any takers? Any? You should complain, I built one from scratch: http://phk.freebsd.dk/AducLoran/AducLoran-0.3.pdf :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Pete Lancashire
That old Carousel IV buried in the back of my garage my someday have a use again -pete Anybody looking to buy an Austron 2000c ? Any takers? Any? -Bob On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Alan Very sorry if I grabbed your thread. I thought I

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread J. Forster
Very few cell towers in mid ocean and GPS signals are blocked by trees. Congress are IDIOTS. -John Triangulate with cell phone towers?;) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Lester Veenstra m0...@veenstras.com wrote: Sextant and chronometer, of course! Lester B

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Don't overlook that laser/fiber ring-gyros will drop in price the patents expire and the predatory pricing ends: http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/solutions/mk39/assets/mk39.pdf As much as I have enjoyed playing with Loran-C, I would far rather have a shoebox-sized, totally autonomous

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Alan Melia
There is a system in the UK that already does that and used digital TV as well I believe. The accurate nav is only really needed in coastal water and the phones cover most of those. Ain't many trees in the middle of the ocean either John, but we are working on it as a disguse for deep sea oil

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread J. Forster
The tree reference is for nav in forest or jungle canopy areas. A very few trees will largely kill GPS. LORAN does not care. I have that exact problem. -John There is a system in the UK that already does that and used digital TV as well I believe. The accurate nav is only really

[time-nuts] Loran C shut down

2009-11-09 Thread Rich and Marcia Putz
Hi all; I guess this is change we can believe in! Rich ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown

2009-11-09 Thread Robert Atkinson
Unfortunatly very few commercial aircraft carry Loran C equipment. The large ones would fall back on inertial navigation.   Robert G8RPI. --- On Mon, 9/11/09, Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eric Garner garn...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C shutdown To: Discussion of