Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS-2100 Rubidium

2010-07-21 Thread David C. Partridge
but the LPRO isn't designed (well, according to the spec) for GND != -VE So long as you don't introduce it to real ground (i.e. isolate it), it won't know that the -12V is floating below world ground :-) Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Pictic II boards are here !

2010-07-21 Thread Peter Vince
Morning Stanley, Good news! As I mentioned before, I am happy to act as a UK Post Office if youl'd like to send all the UK-bound boards to me. I am collaborating with Ian Muir in Wales (Time Nut member Gonzo) on this project, so between us we would like five boards please. If you can let

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS-2100 Rubidium

2010-07-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/21/2010 10:11 AM, David C. Partridge wrote: but the LPRO isn't designed (well, according to the spec) for GND != -VE So long as you don't introduce it to real ground (i.e. isolate it), it won't know that the -12V is floating below world ground :-) Doable, but surely chassi ground of

[time-nuts] Frequency Divider Board Status

2010-07-21 Thread David C. Partridge
An udpate for everyone, I am STILL waiting for Stackpole Electronics thin film resistors which I ordered through Digikey. I have kicked Stackpole, but current delivery date promised is mid August. Regards, David Partridge ___ time-nuts mailing

[time-nuts] PICTIC PICs UK programming

2010-07-21 Thread gonzo .
The parts are all coming in and the boards aren't far either, so I'll reiterate my previous offer of programming the PICs. If you already have your PIC(s), you can send them to me with a self-addressed envelope and I'll program them no charge. or I have six PICs left from a recent purchase

[time-nuts] Function of cap to GND in isolation transformer circuit

2010-07-21 Thread Joop
Hi, I noticed in several circuits that the 10MHz isolation transformer in input and output circuits have a 6.8nF or 10nF capacitor to GND. How necessary is this for suppression of unwanted signals? Is the transformer itself not sufficient? I would expect common mode issues to be a bit worse with

Re: [time-nuts] Function of cap to GND in isolation transformer circuit

2010-07-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The cap likely improves the VHF stability of the circuit. Bob On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:46 AM, Joop wrote: Hi, I noticed in several circuits that the 10MHz isolation transformer in input and output circuits have a 6.8nF or 10nF capacitor to GND. How necessary is this for suppression of

Re: [time-nuts] Pictic II boards are here !

2010-07-21 Thread Stanley Reynolds
Peter, Thank you for offering to help, don't send paypal yet, I will send you the boards then after we know your postal expense then we can do the paypal thing. Stanley   - Original Message From: Peter Vince pvi...@theiet.org To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Function of cap to GND in isolation transformer circuit

2010-07-21 Thread Dave Brown
Its to prevent 'earth loops' and avoid issues with DC and low frequency AC on the coax screen - usually its found only on tx or rx end- not both- depends on the installation which practice is followed. Telcos tend to solid ground at the send end and cap ground at the rx end. And yes- it can

[time-nuts] PLGR II on ebay

2010-07-21 Thread Robert Atkinson
Please pardon the blatent plug, but this is a rare one. I've just listed a Rockwell PLGR II dual frequency GPS on ebay. Search for item No. 260638851411   Thanks, Robert G8RPI. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS-2100 Rubidium

2010-07-21 Thread Rob Kimberley
Ground is chassis ground as far as I remember, and the LPRO was bolted straight on the chassis. RobK -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: 21 July 2010 10:52 AM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS-2100 Rubidium

2010-07-21 Thread Rob Kimberley
...and according to the post from Greg Dowd (who was on the design team at Datum), it had a 24V PSU as an add on for the option. Rob K -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson Sent: 21 July 2010 10:52 AM To:

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS-2100 Rubidium

2010-07-21 Thread David C. Partridge
In which case if the lpro needs +24, then use a buck-boost 12-24V DC-DC converter. Regards, David Partridge -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Rob Kimberley Sent: 21 July 2010 16:08 To: 'Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS-2100 Rubidium

2010-07-21 Thread Jason Rabel
My first email from yesterday I think got rejected or put in queue because I tried to attach a picture... Hopefully this will make it through. I *think* the Rb model had a slightly different top panel (judging from the few pictures I've seen)... Probably made to either absorb some of the heat

[time-nuts] Efratom MGPS Manual

2010-07-21 Thread Mark2
Am still looking for an Efratom MGPS manual... copy, scan... or anything at all on it. Would be nice to know how to make use of the RS-232 connection on this GPS receiver!!! Thanks! Mark Sent from my iPhone ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Pictic II boards are here !

2010-07-21 Thread Lester Veenstra
So, do we now have available, an up to date (a moving target with Mouser, I acknowledge) parts list and stock numbers for correct resistors(trim), FETs, and ICs? Lester B Veenstra MØYCM K1YCM les...@veenstras.com m0...@veenstras.com k1...@veenstras.com   US Postal Address: PSC 45 Box 781 APO

Re: [time-nuts] Datum TS-2100 Rubidium

2010-07-21 Thread Rob Kimberley
Are you sure? I honestly thought we just bolted it in the 1U chassis. I know earlier Datum units with the larger FRS Rbs went into 2U chassis. Rob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Greg Dowd Sent: 20 July 2010 6:20 PM To:

[time-nuts] firmware updates for Jackson Labs GPSDO

2010-07-21 Thread SAIDJACK
Hi guys, for those of you that have Jackson Labs Technologies, Inc. products we have placed the latest firmware updates onto our web-site under the support tab: _http://www.jackson-labs.com/support.html_ (http://www.jackson-labs.com/support.html) This has been the first update since

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread J. Forster
The problem is straight forward, except for sensing the position of the pendulum so the impulse is applied at the correct phase. There must be a bunch of published designs, but if I were to try it, I'd use something optical or capacitive. For optical, I'd put a annular ring of IR

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/22/2010 02:13 AM, Morris Odell wrote: Hi all, I have been asked to help with the construction of a Foucault pendulum. This is a long pendulum which oscillates in a slow stately fashion in a fixed plane which appears to move as the earth rotates. In reality the surrounding environment is

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Mike S
At 08:13 PM 7/21/2010, Morris Odell wrote... Has anyone here had any experience with such a system of have any suggestions regarding the sustaining system? This is an interesting and challenging project. Scientific American, back in June 1958, covered many details of Foucault pendulums,

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you use the mechanical system (raise and lower the pivot point): Can you use the strain on the pivot to get the location information? Bob On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Mike S wrote: At 08:13 PM 7/21/2010, Morris Odell wrote... Has anyone here had any experience with such a system of

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Hal Murray
... Foucault pendulum ... Has anyone here had any experience with such a system of have any suggestions regarding the sustaining system? This is an interesting and challenging project. Several years ago, I found a web site for a commercial place that made them for museums. (I forget why

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Donald Henderickx
On 7/21/2010 7:13 PM, Morris Odell wrote: Hi all, I have been asked to help with the construction of a Foucault pendulum. This is a long pendulum which oscillates in a slow stately fashion in a fixed plane which appears to move as the earth rotates. In reality the surrounding environment is

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Don Latham
Griffith Park in LA operates a Foucault pendulum that's been going for at least 70 years (don't ask how I know). They might have a writeup somewhere. I think te pivot was a simple clamp holding the piano wire. You'd think it would fail from stress, but the pendulum is very long, so the angle of

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Hal Murray wrote: Several years ago, I found a web site for a commercial place that made them for museums. (I forget why I was looking for that sort of stuff.) You might find interesting stuff/ideas via google but I didn't find a similar site with a bit of searching. The Museum of

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Randy Scott
The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago had one when I lived there in the 1960's. You lived at the Museum of Science and Industry? :) Sorry, couldn't resist. But, you actually can live there for a month: http://www.msichicago.org/matm/ Randy.

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Bob Bownes
There is at least one in DC, at the Smithsonian iirc. RPI, where I went to college, had one in the 3 story stairwell in the library. Don't know if it is still there. I remember one someplace in London too. Someone mentioned temperature compensation. What would you need to compensate for? Temp

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Hawkins
Well, Morris, this does sound interesting. You've had some pretty conventional replies, so let's up the ante a bit. If you need to know where something macroscopic is in space, attach a GPS receiver to it. Then program some PIC device (lots of advice about that on this list) to compute optimum

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Bob Bownes
Silly me, I just realized you need to compensate for the change in length with temperature. This sounds like a great project! On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Bob Bownes bow...@gmail.com wrote: There is at least one in DC, at the Smithsonian iirc. RPI, where I went to college, had one in

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread Hal Murray
bow...@gmail.com said: Silly me, I just realized you need to compensate for the change in length with temperature. It depends... If your setup to replace the energy is PLLed to the pendulum position it doesn't need to know the period. (at least not very accurately) -- These are my

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread J. Forster
I remember one someplace in London too. Science Museum in South Kensington, I'd expect, but I've not been there 20+ years. -John Someone mentioned temperature compensation. What would you need to compensate for? Temp change in the wire wouldn't effect the rotation as far as I can tell.

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread J. Forster
[snip] The bob on a Foucault pendulum is usually quite massive, so there's no reason why it can't be inexpensive lead-acid batteries that are recharged by solar cells. IMO, there is no reason to put anything active on the bob. I'm sure you'd save money over mechanisms to move the pivot or

[time-nuts] 74AC175PC chips have arrived

2010-07-21 Thread Robert Berg
These turned out to be made by Fairchild. If you expressed a desire to purchase one or more of these chips, I'll be contacting you soon with total cost. If you have a preference for packaging, please send me a note. Some evidently prefer the small flat rate box, although I'd planned to ship

[time-nuts] Which Rubidium to Get?

2010-07-21 Thread Brent Gordon
I'm considering buying a rubidium standard, not that I really need one, just because I'm a Time Nut. I have some questions on what to look for and what to watch out for. I'll probably get one from either fluke.l or flyingbest on ePay. I know that they wear out. Is there any model I should

Re: [time-nuts] A different timenuts interest

2010-07-21 Thread jimlux
J. Forster wrote: The problem is straight forward, except for sensing the position of the pendulum so the impulse is applied at the correct phase. There must be a bunch of published designs, but if I were to try it, I'd use something optical or capacitive. For optical, I'd put a annular ring

Re: [time-nuts] Function of cap to GND in isolation transformer circuit

2010-07-21 Thread Geoffrey Smith
Joop, The cap is isolate any DC from the transformer, The manual for TADD-1 has this iformation at the TAPR site has this manual http://www.tapr.org/~n8ur/TADD-1_Manual.pdf. On Wed, Jul 21st, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Joop l...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, I noticed in several circuits that the 10MHz