Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/08/2010 08:09 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi John: The WAAS birds may be too weak to receive with an omni antenna, hence the desire to get some gain. The normal GPS sats will pass through the beam and the GPS antenna will pick up some sats directly so you do get some TRAIM. Doppler is not an

Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz Receiver

2010-10-09 Thread paul swed
Well I remember them at least I think we are speaking of the same domes. The ones I am thinking of are just south of moffet field though those were actually dishes. Anyhow being a bit interested and in the navy at the time. Drove on to moffet field no problem with a navy truck and drove through an

Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz Receiver

2010-10-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Dave: Yes, it was right on the central expressway and was part of the GTE military electronics complex. Hi John: My recollection of the antennas at the Blue Cube is that they are out in the open. See photo at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Cube Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/8/2010 1:48 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: I would not be supprised if they had not considered such a threat. This is a common threat for all bent-pipe birds. They have been jammed before and we can expect them to be jammed again. However, I do not think the WAAS or any similar is

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Magnus: Stanford Telecom built GPS simulators to test their GPS ICs. It's made where each wire wrap PCB is based on a page from ICD-200. http://www.prc68.com/I/5001A.html Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Magnus Danielson wrote: On 10/09/2010 04:47 PM, Matthew Kaufman

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/9/2010 8:00 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hmm. Yes. Creative! Once demonstrated essentially all WAAS/EGNOS/SBAS sats need to develope some protective measure. Unless, of course, such protective measures already exist. I can think of several ways right off the top of my head... one would

Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz Receiver

2010-10-09 Thread J. Forster
The reason for the dishes could well have been for comunications with the Blue Cube as that place was/is? the headquarters for the Air Force Satellite Control Facility. Maybe you remember The Brass Rail... the nudie bar across the street from the Lockheed main gate? -John Well

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread jimlux
Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 10/9/2010 8:00 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hmm. Yes. Creative! Once demonstrated essentially all WAAS/EGNOS/SBAS sats need to develope some protective measure. Unless, of course, such protective measures already exist. I can think of several ways right off the top

Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz Receiver

2010-10-09 Thread J. Forster
About the only doors in the place that did not have electronic combo locks were the bathrooms. Sad to see it's being shut down. IMO, it was one of the kewl places to be in the heddy early days of space. OTOH, it probably makes some sense to muve the thing into the bowels of a mountain somewhere.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/9/2010 8:22 AM, jimlux wrote: Unlikely that this would be in the open literature. It's pretty clearly one of those things that falls under export control. Quite likely. The threat itself hasn't been mentioned as far as I can tell, either... as someone who relies on GPS timing for

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The Russians have been willing to sell GPS jammers for quite a while. They aren't terribly expensive. Their export controls are a bit different than the US's. Bob On Oct 9, 2010, at 12:00 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 10/9/2010 8:22 AM, jimlux wrote: Unlikely that this would be in

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
But unlike the threat I described, they're not pre-mounted in geo orbit over the US... As far as we know. Matthew Kaufman (Sent from my iPhone) On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi The Russians have been willing to sell GPS jammers for quite a while. They aren't

Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz Receiver

2010-10-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: Was at the Brass Rail decade ago. Later read the Russians were also there during the cold war. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com J. Forster wrote: The reason for the dishes could well have been for comunications with the Blue Cube as that place was/is? the

Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz Receiver

2010-10-09 Thread J. Forster
I have no doubt it's be a good snooping ground for the Ruskies. Lotsa guys from spooky places, booze, and naked women. Lunchtime featured a gal with a big snake... and little else. LoL. -John Hi John: Was at the Brass Rail decade ago. Later read the Russians were also

Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz Receiver

2010-10-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/9/2010 7:40 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Dave: Yes, it was right on the central expressway and was part of the GTE military electronics complex. That building existed from 1963 until 1990 at the GTE Sylvania complex that was at 500 Evelyn... right at Central Expressway and 237. Can't

Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz Receiver

2010-10-09 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 10/9/2010 11:43 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 10/9/2010 7:40 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Dave: Yes, it was right on the central expressway and was part of the GTE military electronics complex. That building existed from 1963 until 1990 at the GTE Sylvania complex that was at 500

[time-nuts] 60kHz shielded loop antenna

2010-10-09 Thread Clive Green
Have you considered an H Field Loop antenna. We built a quantity of these to dramatically increase sensitivity and reduce EMI on our LF tracking RX’s (now obsolete) Some details are still on our web site under RF microwave components. Yours Clive Green CEO Quartzlock + Gothic, Plymouth

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread jimlux
Bob Camp wrote: Hi The Russians have been willing to sell GPS jammers for quite a while. They aren't terribly expensive. Their export controls are a bit different than the US's. Bob Simple GPS jammers are pretty easy, since consumer GPS is very vulnerable to repeater jammers. Hmm I

Re: [time-nuts] HP/Dymek DY-5842-- WARNING... Manual is back, All is OK now.

2010-10-09 Thread Chuck Harris
Since this warning made the list, it must be answered in the list: Scott McGrath returned my HP5065B manual (by FedEx, no less). It is back safe and sound. All is well. Thanks Scott! -Chuck Harris Chuck Harris wrote: PM sent. -Chuck scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I do have the manual -

Re: [time-nuts] HP/Dymek DY-5842-- WARNING... Manual is back, All is OK now.

2010-10-09 Thread J. Forster
Chuck, I'm glad you finally got it back. Best, -John === Since this warning made the list, it must be answered in the list: Scott McGrath returned my HP5065B manual (by FedEx, no less). It is back safe and sound. All is well. Thanks Scott! -Chuck Harris Chuck Harris

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/09/2010 09:47 PM, jimlux wrote: Bob Camp wrote: Hi The Russians have been willing to sell GPS jammers for quite a while. They aren't terribly expensive. Their export controls are a bit different than the US's. Bob Simple GPS jammers are pretty easy, since consumer GPS is very

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-09 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Oct 9, 2010, at 12:47 PM, jimlux wrote: Simple GPS jammers are pretty easy, since consumer GPS is very vulnerable to repeater jammers. Hmm I wonder if that would adversely affect a GPSDO? Probably not, since the repeated signal is just as stable as the original one. I would think that