Re: [time-nuts] No State Of The Art Counter

2011-01-07 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Gerhard See: http://www.sdrforum.org/pages/sdr06/sdr06_papers/1.3/1.3-01.pdf for an ultra low phase noise dds technique. Bruce Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Am 06.01.2011 20:02, schrieb Tijd Dingen: Also note the glaring lack of a prescaler. This can and will be added at a later date to extend the

[time-nuts] Archiving Data

2011-01-07 Thread Perry Sandeen
List, I apologize in advance for my long posting Several weeks ago I posted what were my attempts to save data and my school-of hard-knocks learning curve. Unfortunately several posters just had to nit-pick the process I had used and started a long series of posts and counter-posts about the

Re: [time-nuts] Archiving Data

2011-01-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
Seems to me there's at least three things going on. 1. People need meaningful work. It is more satisfying to re-invent from ignorance than to learn that something has been done several times before. Either way, the effect on the orbits of stars is not measurable. It only matters to a human. 2.

[time-nuts] LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
I'm designing a simulator for LORAN-A... YES, LORAN-A. It needs about 24 different GRIs from roughly 50,000 uS to 30,000 uS. Rounded to integers, the GRIs come out to something like 49,407 uS. Does anybody have any simple ideas for generating such a signal. For simplicity, I'd like to use a

Re: [time-nuts] No State Of The Art Counter

2011-01-07 Thread Tijd Dingen
For prescaling, I'd suggest using the dividers in one of the Analog Devices PLL parts (ADF4xxx) instead of Hittite chips. Many of the AD parts can still be purchased in packages with actual pins, and you can always get them in small quantities. They will also take a lot less power. Then I

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: There are a number of options. A couple that come to mind are: (1) us a Stanford Research DG535, see: http://www.prc68.com/I/TandFTE.shtml#DG535 (2) use a PIC or other micro controller. http://www.prc68.com/I/PIC16F88.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com J. Forster

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread paul swed
Loran A wow. That is indeed ancient. Did you find a old receiver or what that you are tinkering with? Regards Paul On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: I just got to thinking a few minutes ago a Tektronix DD501 or a BNC digital delay would be just about perfectly

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Tracor 599 VLF Receiver Manual

2011-01-07 Thread paul swed
Indeed would be very interested in the schematic of the synth. Regards Paul. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:49 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Arthur, you mention that the 204 can select 60 KHz by thumbwheel. Do you have a schematic of that synthesizer? I know they had a 60 KHz down converter I have

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
Battleship Massachusetts has one, right near you. -John = Loran A wow. That is indeed ancient. Did you find a old receiver or what that you are tinkering with? Regards Paul On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:28 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: I just got to thinking a few minutes

Re: [time-nuts] No State Of The Art Counter

2011-01-07 Thread Tijd Dingen
--- On Thu, 1/6/11, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No State Of The Art Counter To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 10:05

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread paul swed
I know it reasonably well. Though I don't think I ever saw that. But its a heck of a ship. Are you trying to hot it back up? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:37 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: Battleship Massachusetts has one, right near you. -John = Loran A wow. That is indeed

Re: [time-nuts] No State Of The Art Counter

2011-01-07 Thread Rick Karlquist
For prescaling, I'd suggest using the dividers in one of the Analog Devices PLL parts (ADF4xxx) instead of Hittite chips. Many of the AD parts can still be purchased in packages with actual pins, and you can always get them in small quantities. They will also take a lot less power.

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
It's in the Chart Room. The ship is always looking for technical help, BTW. Yes, -John === I know it reasonably well. Though I don't think I ever saw that. But its a heck of a ship. Are you trying to hot it back up? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:37 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com

Re: [time-nuts] No State Of The Art Counter

2011-01-07 Thread John Miles
For prescaling, I'd suggest using the dividers in one of the Analog Devices PLL parts (ADF4xxx) instead of Hittite chips. Many of the AD parts can still be purchased in packages with actual pins, and you can always get them in small quantities. They will also take a lot less power.

Re: [time-nuts] Archiving Data

2011-01-07 Thread Justin Pinnix
Brooke, I disagree. Hard drive sizes have done nothing but soar over the last 30 years. So, even if you have to replace them every 10 years, you only have to buy 1/10th the number of drives every decade. This is exactly my data retention strategy. Every time I get a new computer, I copy my

[time-nuts] Oscillator Packaging

2011-01-07 Thread Perry Sandeen
List, Several members have mentioned that they have HP 10811 style oscillators. A very neat packaging solution with dividers and circuits is posted at: KH6GRT. Do a Google search. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator Packaging

2011-01-07 Thread Robert Darlington
And for those of us that really hate being teased into doing a google search when it's just as easy to paste the link, here's the link: http://www.qsl.net/kh6grt/page4/freqstd/freqstd.htm Here's the main page where the above frequency standard is listed:

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator Packaging

2011-01-07 Thread Tom Van Baak
Has anyone experimented with the amount of insulation on a 10544 or 10811 oscillator? They are meant to run hot by design and I worry that adding any insulation, or too much insulation, will either cause over-heating or limit the ability of the oven control to maintain the set point. None of the

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator Packaging

2011-01-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/01/11 02:22, Tom Van Baak wrote: Has anyone experimented with the amount of insulation on a 10544 or 10811 oscillator? They are meant to run hot by design and I worry that adding any insulation, or too much insulation, will either cause over-heating or limit the ability of the oven control

Re: [time-nuts] No State Of The Art Counter

2011-01-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/01/11 23:45, Tijd Dingen wrote: --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: From: Magnus Danielsonmag...@rubidium.dyndns.org Subject: Re: [time-nuts] No State Of The Art Counter To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Date:

[time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
I'm looking at building a LORAN-A simulator to run a vintage display. I used to design stuff with gates and counters by hand, and can still do so, but it's tedious. Does anyboby know of any freeware that can be used to draw up logic and simulate its operation, including propagation delays? I

Re: [time-nuts] Yes, Virginia, $200 5370B's do happen

2011-01-07 Thread Darrell
I also had a similar find on eBay. I snagged a Tektronix PG 508 pulse generator that I got for about the same price as shipping (approx $50) because the 'Control Error' light was on. Sure enough, the close-up pictures were good enough to show that the risetime/falltime etc. settings were

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator Packaging

2011-01-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 1/7/2011 5:22 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Has anyone experimented with the amount of insulation on a 10544 or 10811 oscillator? They are meant to run hot by design and I worry that adding any insulation, or too much insulation, will either cause over-heating or limit the ability of the oven

Re: [time-nuts] Archiving Data

2011-01-07 Thread Chris Albertson
You are 100% correct that no digital media is archival and all of it will fail or there will be no machine that can read it. Certainly everything we have will be junk in 100 years. But digital data is not the same as digital media. Data can be perfectly copied. We can make many copies. For

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator Packaging

2011-01-07 Thread Chuck Harris
There is an old saying: If you give a man a fish, he won't be hungry for one day. If you teach a man to fish, he won't be hungry for life. Yes, it is just as easy to post the link, but then what does he learn? He learns to rely on others to do his work for him. Everyone needs to learn how to

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/01/11 03:28, J. Forster wrote: I'm looking at building a LORAN-A simulator to run a vintage display. Hmm. Generating blips programmed in repetition rate and delay as steps of a 10 MHz clock should be sufficient and fairly straight forward. A lower clock such as 1 MHz would probably

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread paul swed
John I did the Loran C simulator. But it acted as a single station and its only goal was to allow austrons and such to do phase comparison of oscillators. Took only a few chips simple and small. I was at the tail end of loran A in the navy. Really do not remember anything about the theory any

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
Magnus, See my post of a few minutes ago. The GRI and Delay counters need to be 5 decimal digits. My current thinking is manual entry of the numbers via BCD coded thumbwheel switches. LORAN-A has 24 possible GRIs; in three blocks of 33 PPS; 25 PPS; and 20 PPS. It also has 4 RF frequencies.

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread J. Forster
Paul, How did you do the GRI counter? I'd like to use an N8290A chip as a programmable decade counter, but they are obsolete. Best, -John === John I did the Loran C simulator. But it acted as a single station and its only goal was to allow austrons and such to do phase

Re: [time-nuts] Archiving Data

2011-01-07 Thread Bill Hawkins
Well, Perry, you were right. The thread has drifted into technology when the real challenge is the catalog for all that has gone before. But perhaps that is not within this group's charter. History Channel did a reasonable presentation of the Knights Templar, within their tabloid guidelines,

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
John, On 08/01/11 05:04, J. Forster wrote: Magnus, See my post of a few minutes ago. The GRI and Delay counters need to be 5 decimal digits. My current thinking is manual entry of the numbers via BCD coded thumbwheel switches. If you only need a static location that will be fine. Naturally

Re: [time-nuts] Simulating LORAN-A GRI Timing Generator

2011-01-07 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/01/11 06:54, Magnus Danielson wrote: John, On 08/01/11 05:04, J. Forster wrote: Magnus, See my post of a few minutes ago. The GRI and Delay counters need to be 5 decimal digits. My current thinking is manual entry of the numbers via BCD coded thumbwheel switches. If you only need a