Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-04 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Robert wrote: Hey, at least you got vouchers. Here in Cambridge UK the analogue signal goes off next weekend and you are on your own for converters. If you had ever seen the video that comes out of the converters made to the voucher price point, you might not be so keen on the program.

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-04 Thread Steve Rooke
On 4 March 2011 23:26, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: Robert wrote: Hey, at least you got vouchers. Here in Cambridge UK the analogue signal goes off next weekend and you are on your own for converters. If you had ever seen the video that comes out of the

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Indeed this is my fear. The authorization really has very little to do with filling in dark holes in the sat coverage and everything to do with setting up a full blown terrestrial system. This is not going to be a far away and easily ignored thing. If you have cell phone coverage, you will

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-04 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bob wrote: Indeed this is my fear. The authorization really has very little to do with filling in dark holes in the sat coverage and everything to do with setting up a full blown terrestrial system. Correct. LightSquared's business model is to be a wholesale network provider. The FCC

[time-nuts] Replacement for TADD-1?

2011-03-04 Thread Dan Rae
Does anyone know if there is a planned or upcoming replacement for the Tapr TADD-1? Thanks, Dan ac6ao ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement for TADD-1?

2011-03-04 Thread shalimr9
Look for a message from John Miles dated Feb 23 with this subject line: Re: [time-nuts] was there ever a conclusion on distribution amps ? --Original Message-- From: Dan Rae Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com To: Time-Nuts ReplyTo: dan...@verizon.net ReplyTo: Time-Nuts Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] Replacement for TADD-1?

2011-03-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 3/4/2011 12:22 PM, Dan Rae wrote: Does anyone know if there is a planned or upcoming replacement for the Tapr TADD-1? We're working on a very high performance distribution amplifier that will replace the TADD-1 and also be available in a single-channel version for isolation/buffer amp

[time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, now it's pretty obvious the RF world near your GPS will be changing a *lot* in the near future. Lightsquared and a bunch of similar outfits will be camping out right next door with very high power gear. They will be running 1.5KW from somewhere in town. GPS is running 30 watts from off

[time-nuts] Tracor 304D Rubidium Standard

2011-03-04 Thread Bill S
As my age is catching up to me and as part of the process of making life a bit simpler, I've decided to dispose of a number of the precision time items that I've acquired over the years. I've put a few things on ebay that might be of interest, but the 304D is really quite nice and is fitted

Re: [time-nuts] Tracor 304D Rubidium Standard

2011-03-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Bill, Good to hear from you. Thanks for posting and, yes, it's ok to mention your items. Tracor 304D http://cgi.ebay.com/260744992504 Austron 1210D http://cgi.ebay.com/260744999533 etc. I should make everyone on the list aware that I first caught a serious case of the time bug in the early

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: now it's mainly military use. Obviously these guys are a bigger deal for civilians than the military. So the question is - do the built in splitter filters have any real rejection 15 to 50 MHz off of center? Most GPS antenna are

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Here's a measurement we did a few years ago on the HP 58535A: http://www.febo.com/pages/hp_gps_splitter/port_1_hp_58535a_two_port_amp.png John On 3/4/2011 1:31 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Ok, now it's pretty obvious the RF world near your GPS will be changing a *lot* in the near future.

Re: [time-nuts] Tracor 304D Rubidium Standard

2011-03-04 Thread paul swed
Nice RB ref But really like your clock site Wow. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Bill S w...@jbpet.com wrote: As my age is catching up to me and as part of the process of making life a bit simpler, I've decided to dispose of a number of the precision time items that I've acquired over the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread Ziggy
The discussion got me to thinking about how we used to filter out nearby interference on amateur TV - namely by using interdigital filters. This led to a search for GPS interdigital filters which i did indeed find. See Alison Microwave website at http://www.amlant.co.uk/DetailsAD430.htm for

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread Mike Feher
I used to make some interdigital filters and amplifiers in the early 80's for MDS TV reception in the 2.3 GHz range. One can easily fabricate a low loss narrow band filter at 1.5 GHz if need be, and as mentioned before, antennas should be easy as well. If this really becomes an issue, I am sure

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread J. Forster
I'm not so sure. A filter ahead of a preamp significantly increases the system Noise Temperature. GPS signals are weak and link margins are small. The receiver preamps are already very low noise. I'd think that a narrow filter might well drive up the systen NF to the point it'd be useless.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread Mike Feher
Well, as you said John, for FWIW. In this case not much. As said low loss, so increase in noise temp would be minimal, and, if it makes a difference between an overloaded front end or a 0.5 dB loss in NF, it will be welcome. Heck, we use filters in front of most of our Satcom LNBs at 21 GHz with

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread J. Forster
Preamps with NFs under 0.5 dB are available for the 1.5 GHz region. IMO a doubling of system noise temperature is non-trivial. -John === Well, as you said John, for FWIW. In this case not much. As said low loss, so increase in noise temp would be minimal, and, if it makes a

[time-nuts] Selling things on time-nuts

2011-03-04 Thread Hal Murray
But really like your clock site Wow. www.precisionclocks.com Neat. Thanks for the heads up. -- I know about Bryan Mumford's web site: http://www.bmumford.com/clocks/emindex.html How many others am I missing? -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread Mike Feher
I used the 0.5 dB number for loss as a worst case. Of course they are available. They are available even lower, and even at higher frequencies. Whether or not is trivial is not relevant. What is required is relevant. This would of course be relevant in small handheld disadvantaged GPS receivers,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-04 Thread J. Forster
There are far more portable GPS units than fixed, timing units. Furthermore, the consequences of a position error are far greater. Hence, a filter option may well not get rid of LightSquared issues for the majority of users users. -John === I used the 0.5 dB number for loss as a

[time-nuts] Selling things on time-nuts (or other lists)

2011-03-04 Thread Hal Murray
Argh. Sorry for botching the Subject on my previous message. After a bit of typing I decided to split it into two, but that was after I had fixed the Subject and such. Sigh. So here is the other part... - My opinions on announcements vs advertising on lists... I hate blatant

Re: [time-nuts] Selling things on time-nuts (or other lists)

2011-03-04 Thread paul swed
Was looking at the site again. Bill Slocneks (Sorry for the spelling) Really amazing the quality of work. An incredible talent. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: Argh. Sorry for botching the Subject on my previous message. After a bit of typing I

[time-nuts] help with initial setup for Motorola M12+T GPS? is my board dead?

2011-03-04 Thread John Beale
I just received my first real piece of time hardware, a M12+T timing GPS. At least, that's what it's supposed to be, it doesn't actually have any label saying so. I got it online from this seller: http://www.ioffer.com/i/Motorola-ONCORE-M12+T-timing-gps-receiver-1pps-100hz-105387652 The board