Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
GPS phased arrays aren't new, nor is it necessary to physically steer the antennae within the aray: http://www.navsys.com/papers/0005004.pdf Bruce Magnus Danielson wrote: On 03/08/2011 05:22 AM, Hal Murray wrote: Since you are after timing off of the sat's, having antennas that move,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-08 Thread Pieter ten Pierick
Hi, GPS phased arrays aren't new, nor is it necessary to physically steer the antennae within the aray: http://www.navsys.com/papers/0005004.pdf But would such a system help with the LNA overload due to a local transmitter? I would expect that using separately steered antennas with good

Re: [time-nuts] NTP IRIG config help

2011-03-08 Thread Rob Kimberley
I looked at the data sheet of the sel-2407 and interestingly it states demodulated IRIG-B, which seems a bit odd. Either it's a modulated code i.e. a sinusoidal wave with amplitude modulation (usually about 3:1), or it's what we call a DC code i.e pulse width data stream not superimposed on the 1

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-08 Thread Mike Feher
That sounds neat. My recollection of SAW filters from many moons ago is that they have a fair amount of insertion loss. One always has to consider trade-offs. Do you know if it is placed after the antenna and before the LNA, or, is it after the LNA? Also, you probably meant -159 dBm of

Re: [time-nuts] Where does the VXI E1740A fit in ?

2011-03-08 Thread Robert Atkinson
While I agree in general, with this (and often custom I/F cards get lost when the PC goes back to IT for data protection), the E1740A info is on the Agilent website. The manual http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/E1740-90005.pdf has the instruction set and code examples. You need a VXI

Re: [time-nuts] Where does the VXI E1740A fit in ?

2011-03-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If somebody wants to come up with modern 1740 software, I have a couple of them to try it out on. Bob On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Robert Atkinson wrote: While I agree in general, with this (and often custom I/F cards get lost when the PC goes back to IT for data protection), the E1740A

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Since the idea here is to keep an existing GPSDO running, the DGPS input stream isn't an option. Same goes for per sat corrections. You just don't have access to the stuff you need to get at inside the beast. Bob On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 03/08/2011 05:22 AM,

[time-nuts] STP2145A control voltage

2011-03-08 Thread Robert Watzlavick
Can anyone confirm the control/reference voltage for an STP2145A OCXO? The datasheet posted on eBay says 12V supply and 5V control voltage but it looks like they just copied the one for the MV89A. If they are truly the same spec that's fine but before I order it, I thought I'd see if anybody

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-08 Thread jimlux
On 3/7/11 9:37 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: I think it's simple, at least in the nice/common cases. If the antenna geometry has a point that everything swivels around, consider that to the the location of the antenna. I think that covers the typical alt-az mount:

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-08 Thread jimlux
On 3/7/11 10:27 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Bob Campli...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Since you are after timing off of the sat's, having antennas that move, either physically or electrically seems like a problem. Any shift in the effective antenna location as you

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-08 Thread jimlux
On 3/8/11 4:24 AM, Pieter ten Pierick wrote: Hi, GPS phased arrays aren't new, nor is it necessary to physically steer the antennae within the aray: http://www.navsys.com/papers/0005004.pdf But would such a system help with the LNA overload due to a local transmitter? I would expect that

Re: [time-nuts] Where does the VXI E1740A fit in ?

2011-03-08 Thread Pete Lancashire
Anyone have the old MS based software as a 'seed' to writing a new i/f ? If I did it it would probable be first in Perl or Python then parts may then be redone in C. The work would be done in a Linux environment in that I don't have any uSoft other then the PC that runs the schematic and PCB

[time-nuts] 8713C Network Analyzer Circuits

2011-03-08 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, Has anyone out there circuit diagrams for a HP8713C network analyzer? The generate port is fine, but the transmission or RF IN port is faulty below about 1.5 GHz. It's response is all over the place. Above 1.5 GHz it seems to be fine. I suspect the A5 receiver especially the RF input

Re: [time-nuts] Where does the VXI E1740A fit in ?

2011-03-08 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, There are HP Basic examples in the manual. Shame it's a C size, I've a 1300B frame that has an HP-IB interface as standard, but is only B size.   Robert G8RPI.  --- On Tue, 8/3/11, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: From: Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com Subject: Re:

[time-nuts] STP2145A

2011-03-08 Thread Murray Greenman
Robert, I've attached the data sheet for the STP2145A. The device is 12V operated, and has an internal 8V reference which you can use to supply the EFC circuit. Have a look at http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MICRO/SIMPLE/SimpleGPS.htm, where I describe a simple home-brew GPS Disciplined Reference based

[time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread Kevin Watson
Hi Jim, As part of my research into keeping time on rockets and spacecraft, I joined this list to see what I could learn from the masters. Of course I'm a knuckle-head for not assuming that you'd be one of the resident masters grin. Anyway, as my accuracy needs are modest (~10uS across many

Re: [time-nuts] STP2145A

2011-03-08 Thread Robert Watzlavick.com
Murray, Thank you very much for the datasheet. That confirms my suspicion about what was posted on eBay. For my application I actually need the 5V control voltage because I'm planning on using it with my Datum bc635PCI and TS2100. It's way too large for either unit but for the PCI card I can

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Filter

2011-03-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
jimlux wrote: On 3/8/11 4:24 AM, Pieter ten Pierick wrote: Hi, GPS phased arrays aren't new, nor is it necessary to physically steer the antennae within the aray: http://www.navsys.com/papers/0005004.pdf But would such a system help with the LNA overload due to a local transmitter? I

Re: [time-nuts] latest on the lightsquared 'saga'

2011-03-08 Thread Matt Osborn
Mike, The saw filter is between the antenna and the LNA. You're correct as to the sensitivity measurement; it is -146 dBm acquisition and -159 dBm tracking. It also specs 1PPS accuracy of 22ns, 1 - sigma. Here is a link to the data sheet:

[time-nuts] Plot phase noise spectrum from DMTD measurement?

2011-03-08 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Hi, I recently noticed something interesting: The DMTD measurement gives a set of phase values x(t). From which fractional frequency y(t) is calculable. So now it seems viable to plot the spectrum, Sy(f) and if you scale it properly you arrive at Sphi(f). If I'm not making a gross error

Re: [time-nuts] Plot phase noise spectrum from DMTD measurement?

2011-03-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: Hi, I recently noticed something interesting: The DMTD measurement gives a set of phase values x(t). From which fractional frequency y(t) is calculable. So now it seems viable to plot the spectrum, Sy(f) and if you scale it properly you arrive at Sphi(f). If I'm not

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Kevin Watson time-n...@enuuf.com wrote: Hi Jim, As part of my research into keeping time on rockets and spacecraft, I joined this list to see what I could learn from the masters. Of course I'm a knuckle-head for not assuming that you'd be one of the resident

Re: [time-nuts] Plot phase noise spectrum from DMTD measurement?

2011-03-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/08/2011 07:46 PM, Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: Hi, I recently noticed something interesting: The DMTD measurement gives a set of phase values x(t). From which fractional frequency y(t) is calculable. So now it seems viable to plot the spectrum, Sy(f) and if you scale it properly you arrive

[time-nuts] New Scientist article on GPS jamming

2011-03-08 Thread Hal Murray
http://tinyurl.com/4ktxlaw http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20202-gps-chaos-how-a-30-box-can-jam-you r-life.html?full=true It starts with a story about a 2007 Navy exercise in San Diego. Two ships jammed radios to simulate communications troubles and wiped out a lot of nearby

[time-nuts] Low noise power supply

2011-03-08 Thread EWKehren
There is an interesting article in the March 2011 Electronic Products magazine design an ultra low noise supply for analog circuits. It is a combination of switcher and LDO's and written by P Hunter TI so it may also be available on their site. Bert Kehren

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supply

2011-03-08 Thread J.D. Bakker
At 16:41 -0500 08-03-2011, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: There is an interesting article in the March 2011 Electronic Products magazine design an ultra low noise supply for analog circuits. It is a combination of switcher and LDO's and written by P Hunter TI so it may also be available on their

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supply

2011-03-08 Thread ehydra
Here: http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Designing_an_ultra_low_noise_supply_for_analog_circuits-article-fapo_TI_mar2011-html.aspx - Henry -- ehydra.dyndns.info ewkeh...@aol.com schrieb: There is an interesting article in the March 2011 Electronic Products magazine design an ultra low noise

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supply

2011-03-08 Thread J. Forster
This is not a low noise PS, IMO. There is far too much ripple on the outputs for that. Furthermore, I'd bet it has real radiated EMI issues. -John = At 16:41 -0500 08-03-2011, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: There is an interesting article in the March 2011 Electronic Products magazine

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supply

2011-03-08 Thread David VanHorn
I had this problem when using some ultra low light imagers. They have NO PSRR, and the integration times were up in the 1-3 second range, so any noise on the pixel supply ended up in the image. I used an ICL-9000 regulator which has ultra high PSRR, and I used a switcher running at a specific

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supply

2011-03-08 Thread David VanHorn
I used an ICL-9000 regulator ISL-9000. Sorry. http://www.intersil.com/products/deviceinfo.asp?pn=ISL9000 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

[time-nuts] Lightsquard update in GPS World

2011-03-08 Thread Pete Lancashire
First LightSquared/GPS Working Group Meeting Held http://www.gpsworld.com/gnss-system/gps-modernization/news/first-lightsquaredgps-working-group-meeting-held-11197?utm_source=GPSutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Navigate_03_08_2011utm_content=first-lightsquaredgps-working-group-meeting-held-11197

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread Kevin Watson
Hi All. Thanks for responding. There are quite a few GPS receivers that will work outside of the usual commercial-grade GPS limitations, but I'm not too sure I need such a receiver. As my application is to just accuratly time-tag messages for a data recorder, my thinking is to allow a

[time-nuts] GPS Usage

2011-03-08 Thread J. Forster
This is a surprise: in reality more than 90 percent of the users of GPS worldwide use it primarily for a timing reference. That makes the LORAN shutdown look even more idiotiuc! -John == Copied from http://www.gpsworld.com/defense/gps-insights-april-2007-8428: I

Re: [time-nuts] Spacecraft Timekeeping

2011-03-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/09/2011 06:08 AM, Kevin Watson wrote: Hi All. Thanks for responding. There are quite a few GPS receivers that will work outside of the usual commercial-grade GPS limitations, but I'm not too sure I need such a receiver. As my application is to just accuratly time-tag messages for a data