Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread cook michael
Le 16/05/2011 00:29, iov...@inwind.it a écrit : You are right, the right value for the crystal would be about 32859.27, but I thought that such a difference could be compensated in the circuitry, that's why I omitted the decimals. before you get into grinding I have a question on your chosen fre

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Hal Murray
li...@rtty.us said: > In a full sized wall clock, most of the power is to the motor. On a wrist > watch - it depends on how well the watch is built. Thanks. I think that means that it's not silly to generate a PPSS (Pulse per Sidereal Second) signal by counting to 364/365 of 32678 rather than

Re: [time-nuts] basic question on GPS satellites

2011-05-17 Thread W2HX
Hi Brent. I have yet to connect RS232 to check on the masks. Did you get any responses RE: the effect of setting AMU to 0 on the 10 MHz output? 73 Eugene W2HX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of brent evers Sent: Monday, Ma

Re: [time-nuts] DATUM 9390 Question...

2011-05-17 Thread W2HX
Hi Burt, thanks for the excellent information and your experiences with this model! I have to models, the -52054 and -52117 The 52054 seems to see the SVs much more easily. The 52117 using the same antenna and antenna location sees nothing (I haven't tried moving the antenna to a substantially bett

[time-nuts] Lucent RFTGm-II

2011-05-17 Thread Geraldo Lino de Campos
I received today a LUCENT RFTGm-II-XO and RFTGm-II-RB assembly, chips with 2000 date code. I would like to change the behavior of the units, using GPS signal to discipline the Rb unit (for long term stability) and the Rb disciplining the XO (for low phase noise). The archives have some scattered in

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If the "arms" are to far off from each other the Q starts to drop / resistance starts to climb. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Attila Kinali Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:01 PM To: Discussion of precise time a

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 17 May 2011 11:52:53 -0400 "Bob Camp" wrote: > And you want to keep both sides of the tuning fork equal length to roughly > one part in 50,000 when you move it 1 part in 365. May i ask, why this is important? Attila Kinali -- The trouble with you, Shev, is you

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi And you want to keep both sides of the tuning fork equal length to roughly one part in 50,000 when you move it 1 part in 365. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lux Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:09 AM To: time

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/17/11 7:01 AM, Jean-Louis Oneto wrote: I realized that there was lot of way to avoid this [pulldown] problem, but as I said, it was a long time ago (around 1976...), I was young and inexperimented, and I just tried once on an almost broken 5 FF (~$1) wristwatch, then I decided that the softw

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
I realized that there was lot of way to avoid this [pulldown] problem, but as I said, it was a long time ago (around 1976...), I was young and inexperimented, and I just tried once on an almost broken 5 FF (~$1) wristwatch, then I decided that the software approach would be better for me. I use

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread iov...@inwind.it
Hi Jean-Louis, I'm pleased to hear that you had success trying to modify such a crystal, though you had problems checking the frequency. Regarding this aspect that I'm aware of, my idea is to "hear" to the 32kHz signal with a HP3586A selective voltmeter or a R&S VLF receiver. Further, as electr

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Hence the advantage of your frequency counter's period averaging mode. Don't measure the crystal, measure the divider it is connected to. That way loading effects are not directly on the crystal. Bob LaJeunesse From: Jean-Louis Oneto To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
Hi again, I forgot to mention this nice piece of software useful to check what you're doing: http://www.gb.nrao.edu/~jbrandt/jLSTclock/ Jean-Louis - Original Message - From: "Jean-Louis Oneto" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
Hello list, I tried that a long time ago, but the trap I went into was that the capacitance of the 'scope probe was pulling the frequency down, so I ended with a crystal too high in frequency... I'm not sure that you can control the frequency without significantly perturbing it. And waiting to

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread iov...@inwind.it
Neville and Jim and all, there are good pictures of tuning fork crystals at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator I think it is the 8x3 mm in size, which is available from China (10 units for 2.5$ including worldwide shipping). Assuming as a reference the diameter of the baseplate,

Re: [time-nuts] Sidereal timekeeping

2011-05-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi In a full sized wall clock, most of the power is to the motor. On a wrist watch - it depends on how well the watch is built. Bob On May 17, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > >> As an alternative you could build an external circuit (a few uA at 3V >> supply) and generate a signal to i