Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/24/11 9:22 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 6/24/11 8:20 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM, gary wrote: I use a Logitech Squeezebox radio in the bedroom. Network timed! I don't see how they connect grid that aren't totally in sync. The big long distance transmission lines

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread J. Forster
Mostly correct, but: > As others have pointed out, power flows are done by changing the > relative phase of the two zones. You can either keep the power flows > carefully "net zero" or you can keep the frequency the same, but not > both. When two parts of the system are interconnected, the frequ

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/24/11 8:20 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM, gary wrote: I use a Logitech Squeezebox radio in the bedroom. Network timed! I don't see how they connect grid that aren't totally in sync. The big long distance transmission lines are high voltage DC. Most aren't.

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/24/11 6:47 PM, Hal Murray wrote: I don't see how they connect grid that aren't totally in sync. Each grid is in sync with itself. In the US, there are several grids. They aren't connected except maybe by DC lines. all of the US is interconnected, except for Texas. That said there's n

[time-nuts] hp 3476a FS

2011-06-24 Thread normn3ykf
Parts only. Unit is complete. Has agc problem. 100$ plus shipping from 18840 or best offer. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions ther

[time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Perry Sandeen
List, Gary wrote: PGE, bless their corporate hearts, is run both like a Swiss clock and third world nation power. If you have a fair amount of industry or malls nearby (i.e. customers), your power is great. Live at the edge of town, and things are not so good, even in Silicon Valley. Monte Ser

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM, gary wrote: > I use a Logitech Squeezebox radio in the bedroom. Network timed! > > I don't see how they connect grid that aren't totally in sync. The big long distance transmission lines are high voltage DC. -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California __

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Will Matney
Hal, The speed differences below are for a two and four pole motor. Two Pole: 50 Hz: 3,000, 60 Hz: 3,600 Four Pole: 50 Hz: 1,500, 60 Hz:1,800 Those are not loaded speeds, however, 1800 / 1500 = 1.2 I mis-stated that post, it should have been 1.2 times greater than, or less than, the speed, but

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread J. Forster
>>>> powered >>>>> clocks nowdays, on the wall, and most alarms are digital with xtal >>>>> timebases. However, there are still those old foggies who still have >>>>> motorized clocks depending on 60Hz to do their duty. If this makes > t

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Will Matney
makes them >>>> obsolete, I wonder if the government is prepared to buy folks >> replacement >>>> clocks, like they provided the digital receivers for our TV's? Like I >> said, >>>> I can see a courtroom battle as I write this. >&

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread J. Forster
ided the digital receivers for our TV's? Like I > said, >>> I can see a courtroom battle as I write this. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Will >>> >>> *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** >>> >>> On 6/24/2011 at

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread J. Forster
5:50 PM, paul swed wrote: >> "change you can count on" >> Thanks. All those silly alarm clocks by the bed. >> >> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Bob Kupiec >> wrote: >> >>> >>> AP: Power grid change may disrupt clocks >>

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Will Matney
>> *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** >> >> On 6/24/2011 at 8:50 PM paul swed wrote: >> >>> "change you can count on" >>> Thanks. All those silly alarm clocks by the bed. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Bo

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Hal Murray
> I don't see how they connect grid that aren't totally in sync. Each grid is in sync with itself. In the US, there are several grids. They aren't connected except maybe by DC lines. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. __

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread gary
y alarm clocks by the bed. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Bob Kupiec wrote: AP: Power grid change may disrupt clocks - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110624/ap_on_hi_te/us_sci_power_clocks Time Error Correction Elimination

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Will Matney
----- >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110624/ap_on_hi_te/us_sci_power_clocks >> >> >> Time Error Correction Elimination >> - >> http://www.nerc.com/page.php?cid=6|386 >> >> NERC Repo

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread gary
M, Bob Kupiec wrote: AP: Power grid change may disrupt clocks - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110624/ap_on_hi_te/us_sci_power_clocks Time Error Correction Elimination - http://www.nerc.com/page.php?cid=6|386 N

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of hightemp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread paul swed
I use a HP4350a and they can be found at hamfests. Maybe epay. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Will Matney wrote: > Bill, > > Yes, this is the 845A, not the AB I have. Well, I first thought that about > the resistor, but sure enough, the color bands are brown, green, and brown, > or 150 ohms, a

Re: [time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread paul swed
"change you can count on" Thanks. All those silly alarm clocks by the bed. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Bob Kupiec wrote: > > AP: Power grid change may disrupt clocks > - > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110624/ap_on_hi_te/us_sci_p

Re: [time-nuts] hp 5328a for sale

2011-06-24 Thread arie schellaars
G'day Folks. Don't wish to turn this into an mini e-bay but should you happen to have a "c" module for this counter I would be most interested. Cheers Arie VK3DBF From: "normn3...@stny.rr.com" To: test-equipm...@mailman.qth.net; forsale-s...@mailman.qth.net; time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, 2

Re: [time-nuts] hp 5328a for sale

2011-06-24 Thread Chris Albertson
Norm, If you still have one. I'll take it. With the option C that's a deal I can't pass up. Let me know the shipping to 90278. Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:55 PM, wrote: > Hi all, > I have 4 5328a's all have ch c to 512 MHz and the extended triggerin

[time-nuts] No more 60Hz! TEC Elimination

2011-06-24 Thread Bob Kupiec
AP: Power grid change may disrupt clocks - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110624/ap_on_hi_te/us_sci_power_clocks Time Error Correction Elimination - http://www.nerc.com/page.php?cid=6|386 NERC Report - June 14

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of hightemp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Will Matney
Bill, Yes, this is the 845A, not the AB I have. Well, I first thought that about the resistor, but sure enough, the color bands are brown, green, and brown, or 150 ohms, as on the schematic. I wonder if the resistor was mis-painted at the factory with the wrong color bands? I just couldn't see a c

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Be careful, the web URL is Pro Audio Design Forum. There are other cap articles by the same author where he's measuring the distortion at 1 kHz down to -140 dB. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Matt Osborn wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:11:34 -0700, GMail / AnalogAficionad

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Will Matney
If I recall, didn't B&K make a capacitor analyzer that did ESR measurements too? I think it was a hybrid, part solid-state, and part tube, but folks swore by them. Best, Will *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/24/2011 at 2:34 PM Pete Lancashire wrote: >Sencore 102 or 103's. If your

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread GMail / AnalogAficionado
Yes, that's the one... As Alan mentions there are several other articles, and I see the same website has them - just lop off the file name at the end of the URL to see the rest. Here's the one specifically on electrolytics: http://techdoc.kvindesland.no/radio/passivecomp/20061223155301644.pdf

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Matt Osborn
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:11:34 -0700, GMail / AnalogAficionado wrote: >Sorry to perpetuate the OT discussion, but there is an excellent series of >articles by capacitor design engineer Cyril Bateman called Understanding >Capacitors, published in EW&WW magazine in the late '90s. The article on >

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of hightemp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Will, Is it possible that someone replaced the original resistor with the wrong one ? I am suggesting that they were either color blind or were not paying attention to what they were doing. You must be talking about the version that does not have the battery option. You will notice that the

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Pete Lancashire
Sencore 102 or 103's. If your lucky you can find one for less < $200. If you don't mind the age. At the bottom of the pile are ones like the Eico 950-B and many that are close. The 950-B is about the best in the lower shelf. Stick with the B, newer if anything and remember Eico's also came as a k

[time-nuts] [FS] HP 16534A 2GSa/S Digitizing Oscilloscope Card

2011-06-24 Thread Peter Loron
I have a HP 16534A 2GSa/S Digitizing Oscilloscope Card for sale. This is an expansion card for the 165xx and 167xx series of logic analyzers. It allows combined logic and analog measurements. It is in perfect working condition. Asking $400 + shipping. I'm in the US and will ship worldwide. Pi

[time-nuts] hp 3576a for sale

2011-06-24 Thread normn3ykf
Parts only. Unit is complete. Has agc problem. 100$ plus shipping from 18840 or best offer. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] hp 5328a for sale

2011-06-24 Thread Will Matney
Norm, I am interested in buying one, so please contact me about one at my e-mail below, Thanks, Will Matney xfor...@citynet.net *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/24/2011 at 8:55 PM normn3...@stny.rr.com wrote: >Hi all, >I have 4 5328a's all have ch c to 512 MHz and the extended t

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Will Matney
All, Speaking of replacing electrolytic capacitors, which I am now doing on a Fluke 845A, I found a carbon comp resistor way out of spec. It is a 150 ohm, 1/4 watt current limiter, for a 10 Vdc zener. I noticed that it had looked to have been hot (or gave off excessive heat), and had made a shiny

[time-nuts] hp 5328a for sale

2011-06-24 Thread normn3ykf
Hi all, I have 4 5328a's all have ch c to 512 MHz and the extended triggering along with gpib. 25 plus shipping from 18840 Norm n3ykf ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ti

[time-nuts] hp 3455a for sale

2011-06-24 Thread normn3ykf
parts unit. complete. make me an offer. Norm n3ykf ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] Capacitor Analyzer

2011-06-24 Thread Perry Sandeen
List, Wrote> It's almost $1k and does much more than measure leakage. Is there a much lower cost instrument that's aimed at just leakage? Sprague Capacitor Analyzer TEL- OHMIKE Models TO-5 or TO-6. Usually about $100 on epay. I have a TO-6. Two caveats: It is a two wire instrument with IIRC

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread J. Forster
Yes, except the schematics suck. Dave H at ArtekMedia helped mo out with that. You could also get the manual from Sencor directly for something like $20 - $50, I forget exactly. The LC 102 has been replaced with the LC 103, last seen. -John = > Hi again John: > > The manual fo

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread J. Forster
Hi Brook, I know it's a pricey box, but I got mine cheap (<$100) at an MIT Flea Market. If I wanted a cheapo leakage tester, I'd build one with a simple, variable voltage inverter, maybe a Cockroft-Walton stage or so, and a couple of $20 DMMs. -John = > Hi John: > > It's almost

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi again John: The manual for the LC 102 is free from BAMA and it's got all kinds of useful info. http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/sencore/lc102/ Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi John: It's almost $1k and does much more than measure leakage. Is there a

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: It's almost $1k and does much more than measure leakage. Is there a much lower cost instrument that's aimed at just leakage? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com J. Forster wrote: Sencor LC 102 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- ti

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Brooke that is only the last of about 5 or 6 articles in the same journal you need to find the others as well. Cyril used to work for one of the big UK manufacturers I believe. I think I still have the paper copies of E&WW somewhere. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: "Brooke Clark

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread J. Forster
Sencor LC 102. -John == [snip] > Does anyone know of a modern cap leakage tester? > > Have Fun, > > Brooke Clarke > http://www.PRC68.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cg

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Chad: Google found it: http://techdoc.kvindesland.no/radio/passivecomp/20061223155312558.pdf But it's not that informative. The best info I've seen on measuring components is the HP (Agilent) Impedance Handbook. http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5950-3000.pdf I measured dozens of

Re: [time-nuts] Replacing electrolytics - any disadvantages of high temp ones?

2011-06-24 Thread GMail / AnalogAficionado
Sorry to perpetuate the OT discussion, but there is an excellent series of articles by capacitor design engineer Cyril Bateman called Understanding Capacitors, published in EW&WW magazine in the late '90s. The article on electrolytics covers almost anything you might want to know about them, an

Re: [time-nuts] Cooling Fan Information Needed

2011-06-24 Thread gonzo .
Hi Perrier, I think I may have started that thread. My first problem was that the side panels had been swapped so their was minimal airflow past the transformer. Swapping the side panels dropped the heatsink temp by about 7°C My second problem was that I couldn't source a 115V fan. I replaced

Re: [time-nuts] Symmetricon CS question

2011-06-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/24/2011 07:39 AM, Perry Sandeen wrote: List, I’m still confused about the new Symmetricon CS unit. Is it truly a cesium primary standard or is it a secondary standard that happens to use cesium? IF it is truly a primary standard, is saving up the $1500 for one a better deal IN THE LON