Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS 1PPS for accurate period measurement

2011-12-02 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote: > Man, what should we follow if not the manufacturer datasheet? Everyone can > [...] Oh, I have an active imagination and tried a 1/2 dozen different ideas. But, lesson learned! Kevin ___ time-nuts ma

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS 1PPS for accurate period measurement

2011-12-02 Thread Azelio Boriani
Man, what should we follow if not the manufacturer datasheet? Everyone can predict that the best results are obtained following the component's datasheet. Indeed maybe, after having followed the datasheet, that you can improve something. On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Kevin Rosenberg wrote: > O

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS 1PPS for accurate period measurement

2011-12-02 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > I've been playing with one of the Dallas DS32KHZ parts. I'm guessing you are > [...] > Another possibility is that I didn't ground the NC pins. (I didn't notice > that in the data sheet until I read it again looking for crap like that.) Using a

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS 1PPS for accurate period measurement

2011-12-02 Thread Hal Murray
> The need for this is that the RTC chip for a product has the engaging > property of shifting it's frequency by several ppm after being soldered to > the board, and I need to characterise this to get accurate timing for the > product. Are you sure you have the exact same setup? Have you tried

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/2/11 7:28 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: dispersion in the components after the comb generator. You may generate them all in phase at the diode, but by the time they've propagated through the buffer amplifier, filter, coax, they're no longer aligned. Again, if you're just looking for nanosecond

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:11:38 -0800 Jim Lux wrote: > On 12/2/11 6:28 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:57:35 -0800 > > Jim Lux wrote: > > > >> Combs are used all the time for this kind of thing (e.g. calibrating > >> Deep Space Network). There's an old paper about calibrating a

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/2/11 6:28 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:57:35 -0800 Jim Lux wrote: Combs are used all the time for this kind of thing (e.g. calibrating Deep Space Network). There's an old paper about calibrating a interferometer radio telescope at Stanford using this kind of thing (by

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:57:35 -0800 Jim Lux wrote: > Combs are used all the time for this kind of thing (e.g. calibrating > Deep Space Network). There's an old paper about calibrating a > interferometer radio telescope at Stanford using this kind of thing (by > Bracewell, as I recall) My goog

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS 1PPS for accurate period measurement

2011-12-02 Thread Bob Smither
mike cook wrote: Le 02/12/2011 01:53, Bob Camp a écrit : Hi Ok, 62.5 ppb at 1 second would be 62.5 ns. that sounds right for a 16 MHz clock. Your accuracy will be related to the offset between the two 1 ops events (divided TCXO and GPS PPS) and the accuracy of your crystal. With some luck

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/2/11 4:59 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:56:12 -0800 Peter Monta wrote: So, that'd mean there would be an automatic calibration system inside the device, because i dont have any equipment with which i could calibrate delays over a temperature range. I suppose they could

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/2/11 12:05 AM, Hal Murray wrote: Well, it would have to be the front end. DSP doesn't drift with temperature. What if the crystal driving the DSP changes frequency with temperature? That's really no different than the local clock changing frequency, isn't it? It's essentially one o

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS 1PPS for accurate period measurement

2011-12-02 Thread Ulrich Bangert
Tom, supposed your micro features latch inputs by which the internal counter values can be latched in hardware then a) use two counters @ your system clock rate to latch their values with the TCXO's PPS and the GPS's PPS b) extend the 8/16 bit counters in software to at least 32 bit so that you

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:56:12 -0800 Peter Monta wrote: > > So, that'd mean there would be an automatic calibration system inside > > the device, because i dont have any equipment with which i could > > calibrate delays over a temperature range. > > I suppose they could do that---provide a weak bro

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 01:33:45 -0800 Peter Monta wrote: > > What if the crystal driving the DSP changes frequency with temperature? > > I believe it would have no effect. The local clock should drop out of > any navigation or timing solution, so long as the changes are slow > enough to avoid loss

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Peter Monta
> What if the crystal driving the DSP changes frequency with temperature? I believe it would have no effect. The local clock should drop out of any navigation or timing solution, so long as the changes are slow enough to avoid loss of lock in carrier tracking. Let's take a GPS module with 1 PPS

Re: [time-nuts] Using GPS 1PPS for accurate period measurement

2011-12-02 Thread Azelio Boriani
I agree: better using a cheap counter (using the GPSDO to sync it). However to do a time interval measurement your sampling frequency must be stable enough between the reference PPS and the PPS-under-measure. The trick is to offset the PPS-under-mesure enough (say 100mS) to gether some stable sampl

Re: [time-nuts] Compensating phase differnces in dual frequency GPS receviers?

2011-12-02 Thread Hal Murray
> Well, it would have to be the front end. DSP doesn't drift with > temperature. What if the crystal driving the DSP changes frequency with temperature? -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ time-nuts mailin