Re: [time-nuts] Solstice Puzzle

2011-12-17 Thread Chris Albertson
Brooke, Looks like we came up with almost exactly the same ideas. Maybe there is only one solution? You said accelerometer and tube sensor and I said gravity sensor. I think both are really an accelerometer with one bit resolution. You said and End Code, I said beep. Pretty much the same

Re: [time-nuts] metric / English

2011-12-17 Thread Chuck Harris
Which works very well, but unlike all of the English thread combinations, you must keep the lathe's half-nuts engaged to the lead screw ALWAYS. That means when you reach the end of the thread, you must stop the lathe, and back it up to the beginning of the thread to make the next cut. With

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Azelio Boriani
Jim, you're right a DAC is not needed: I was thinking of generating the BPSK by a DAC but it is not necessary. I have seen some BPSK hardware modulators: easier than generating samples and feeding a DAC. On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/17/2011 02:37 PM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Jim, you're right a DAC is not needed: I was thinking of generating the BPSK by a DAC but it is not necessary. I have seen some BPSK hardware modulators: easier than generating samples and feeding a DAC. For a single bird a digital output could be

Re: [time-nuts] Solstice Puzzle

2011-12-17 Thread Mike S
At 01:04 AM 12/17/2011, Neville Michie wrote... This clock consists of 6 cubes, each has a digit display on one face. It does not matter how you arrange them, if they are in a line they will display the right time. (there may also be a nearby box containing a Rb or GPS time standard.) Wow.

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Azelio Boriani
Correct: I was thinking how to simulate an only bird. The RACAL GPS101 is a single channel simulator and maybe made that way. Then it is possible to place a number of 1 channel simulators at a distance... On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/11 6:58 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Correct: I was thinking how to simulate an only bird. The RACAL GPS101 is a single channel simulator and maybe made that way. Then it is possible to place a number of 1 channel simulators at a distance... I was thinking more along the lines of how

Re: [time-nuts] Solstice Puzzle

2011-12-17 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Mike: Yes, I thought that cube implied any face could be the face with the display. The container that holds the single digit display could be a thin rectangle. Your reading is more practical and makes the problem much easier and far lower in cost. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] Solstice Puzzle

2011-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/16/11 10:04 PM, Neville Michie wrote: At this time of the year many people look for frivolous puzzles to solve. My puzzle is to design a clock. This clock consists of 6 cubes, each has a digit display on one face. It does not matter how you arrange them, if they are in a line they will

Re: [time-nuts] metric / English

2011-12-17 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Which works very well, but unlike all of the English thread combinations, you must keep the lathe's half-nuts engaged to the lead screw ALWAYS.  That means when you reach the end of the thread, you must stop the lathe, and

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/17/2011 05:10 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/17/11 6:58 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Correct: I was thinking how to simulate an only bird. The RACAL GPS101 is a single channel simulator and maybe made that way. Then it is possible to place a number of 1 channel simulators at a distance... I

Re: [time-nuts] metric / English

2011-12-17 Thread J. Forster
I suspect turret lathes are still used for shortish runs of some of the simpler parts, like bushings and similar parts. Not every shop looks like a NASA facility. -John == On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: Which works very well, but unlike

Re: [time-nuts] metric / English

2011-12-17 Thread Lee Mushel
Chris, You must be kidding! How old are you? Lee K9WRU - Original Message - From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] metric /

Re: [time-nuts] Solstice Puzzle

2011-12-17 Thread Bill Hawkins
Just read decimal seconds... Now that's interesting. It would be like visiting another country that uses a different temperature scale. After a while you'd be able to relate the numbers to your own sense of temperature. Similarly, you'd be able to relate the count of seconds to your sense of time

Re: [time-nuts] Solstice Puzzle

2011-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/11 10:41 AM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Just read decimal seconds... Now that's interesting. It would be like visiting another country that uses a different temperature scale. After a while you'd be able to relate the numbers to your own sense of temperature. Similarly, you'd be able to

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/11 9:01 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 12/17/2011 05:10 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/17/11 6:58 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Correct: I was thinking how to simulate an only bird. The RACAL GPS101 is a single channel simulator and maybe made that way. Then it is possible to place a number of

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Rix Seacord
On 12/17/2011 11:10 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/17/11 6:58 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Correct: I was thinking how to simulate an only bird. The RACAL GPS101 is a single channel simulator and maybe made that way. Then it is possible to place a number of 1 channel simulators at a distance... I

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/17/2011 09:57 PM, Jim Lux wrote: L1 C/A But the real question isn't how to generate the signals (that's straight forward).. it's how good does the oscillator have to be to effectively test the receiver, in the sense of measuring it's timing performance. A decent OCXO should be able to

Re: [time-nuts] My Racal-Dana 1992

2011-12-17 Thread Dan Rae
On 12/16/2011 2:31 PM, gandal...@aol.com wrote: Hi David It's part of the resolution settings, whereby you alter the number of displayed digits using the up down arrows, holding the up arrow for over two seconds will shift the display left and increase the gate time so you effectively get a 10

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/11 2:56 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 12/17/2011 09:57 PM, Jim Lux wrote: L1 C/A But the real question isn't how to generate the signals (that's straight forward).. it's how good does the oscillator have to be to effectively test the receiver, in the sense of measuring it's timing

Re: [time-nuts] metric / English

2011-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/11 9:14 AM, J. Forster wrote: I suspect turret lathes are still used for shortish runs of some of the simpler parts, like bushings and similar parts. Not every shop looks like a NASA facility. Oddly, NASA facilities aren't necessarily the most modern or sophisticated. It takes an

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Jim, On 12/18/2011 01:25 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 12/17/11 2:56 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 12/17/2011 09:57 PM, Jim Lux wrote: L1 C/A But the real question isn't how to generate the signals (that's straight forward).. it's how good does the oscillator have to be to effectively test the

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Magnus: Exactly. The main problem with the Transit system was that the receiver needed a Cs clock for the system to work at all. GPS removed that requirement. It's my understanding that a GPS receiver that uses a Cs clock has much more capability. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] metric / English

2011-12-17 Thread Chuck Harris
The manual machines are still in use for limited production runs, such as are used in prototype manufacture. Screw machines, and second op lathes see extensive use in manufacturing because they are quicker than CNC machines... that and very cheap to use. I use manual machines because it is

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Brooke, On 12/18/2011 03:30 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Magnus: Exactly. The main problem with the Transit system was that the receiver needed a Cs clock for the system to work at all. GPS removed that requirement. Indeed. Most of that was due to the long observations times as I recall

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: But the real question isn't how to generate the signals (that's straight forward).. it's how good does the oscillator have to be to effectively test the receiver, in the sense of measuring it's timing performance. My 2 cents, which could be way off... One of the

Re: [time-nuts] metric / English

2011-12-17 Thread Lee Mushel
You might want to consider the possibility that there is a whole world of manufacturing that does not deal with millions of a single item. And prototypes are not part of the process. When a product life might extend over ten years and you can expect to get orders for two or three per year

Re: [time-nuts] how good an oscillator do you need for a GPS simulator

2011-12-17 Thread Peter Bell
Maybe they used a Cs standard for the original experimental units, but the first commercial Transit unit I saw (Magnavox MX700?) just had a big OCXO in it - it was also all controlled by a HP2100 computer and output the fix data onto a teletype. The MX1102/1107 (which were pretty much standard

Re: [time-nuts] My Racal-Dana 1992

2011-12-17 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
It turns out that I unfairly maligned the 1992 (and the 9462 oscillator, option 04E) when I accused it of poor oscillator settability. I was inspired by the recent discussions to have another crack at mine, and they can, in fact, be set very accurately. One of mine has been reading