Re: [time-nuts] 8051 with RTC

2012-02-29 Thread shalimr9
Said, I can give you C code for a Silabs 8051 driving an I2C RTC in bit-banging mode (works with ANY chip) Didier KO4BB Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things... -Original Message- From: saidj...@aol.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb

Re: [time-nuts] 5680A what is a reasonable case temp ?

2012-02-29 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:42:51 -0800 Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: It's clear to me from seeing all those screws that the 5680 needs to be firmly connected to some kind of heat sink even it only a large plate. It could also be that those screws are used to hold the top and

Re: [time-nuts] 5680A what is a reasonable case temp ?

2012-02-29 Thread Peter Gottlieb
I am fitting one of these into a HP 5335A counter. The project became a bit more involved than it first seemed and part of that is how to deal with the cooling. The manual shows an AC fan but it had been replaced (sloppily, I might add) with a DC fan which was terribly noisy. I found a much

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B power supply control board

2012-02-29 Thread paul swed
Pete I have obtain HP gear that someone snitched the power supply or regulator boards from. Since I ultimately will use the gear for myself and not re-sell it. I re-fabricate the functions with modern technology. 3 term adj regs etc. What can I say it works and is reliable. Is it perfect really do

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B power supply control board

2012-02-29 Thread Pete Lancashire
That is exactly what happened here, the board is from a much earlier S/N range. Even if I have to spend some $'s, the total price will still be reasonable. That is as long as I don't charge my time :-) And with the 5370B being a pre-make-it-small design there's plenty of room for subsitutions

Re: [time-nuts] OP-Amps for 10MHz distribution...?

2012-02-29 Thread Bill Fuqua
Low noise voltage at the cost of noise current which is around 1000 times that of low noise JFETs. The discussion suggest that opamps contribute to the sideband phase noise of the signal. I am interested in the mechanism that adds this phase noise. It would have to be a small shift in either

Re: [time-nuts] OP-Amps for 10MHz distribution...?

2012-02-29 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bill wrote: Low noise voltage at the cost of noise current which is around 1000 times that of low noise JFETs. Sure, but the noise resistance (input termination at which voltage noise and current noise contribute equally to the output noise) is still around 400 ohms -- anything lower and

Re: [time-nuts] OP-Amps for 10MHz distribution...?

2012-02-29 Thread lists
System noise is the question. If the driving impedance is low, then voltage noise is more significant than current noise. You simply can't look at the noise of the part. The key is the noise of the entire circuit. -Original Message- From: Bill Fuqua wlfuq...@uky.edu Sender:

Re: [time-nuts] OP-Amps for 10MHz distribution...?

2012-02-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi For a variety of reasons, you are trying to match a 50 ohm line in a distribution amplifier. The simplest reason is that mismatch adds reflections and can degrade timing. You *could* use transformers or filters to transform to higher impedance, but they add phase shift. Phase shift is a

Re: [time-nuts] 5680A what is a reasonable case temp ?

2012-02-29 Thread Chris Albertson
That is one of the better uses for a 5680. I have a counter that is non-function because some one salvd the HP OCXO from it and I'm thinking that a 5680 would fit inside. But then I thought again and the 5680 can fit outside. One problem I think with your setup is that the 5680' temperature

Re: [time-nuts] OP-Amps for 10MHz distribution...?

2012-02-29 Thread Hal Murray
li...@rtty.us said: You *could* use transformers or filters to transform to higher impedance, but they add phase shift. Phase shift is a problem if it changes (over time, temperature, vibration, phase of the moon...). Change in phase = change in time = signal is degraded. Transformers are

[time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread Don Latham
Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the Old Country. I bought 4 of 'em for the in case box (in case I need one). I have some OCXO's in the 100 MHz neighborhood that will

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread paul swed
Don Thanks for the heads up and it is amazing I just bought a few since I always seem to need various signals. It is amazing board oscillator etc. All in a handy dip style board I can actually work with. Regards Pual WB8TSL On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread EWKehren
Don Thank you bought 2 Bert In a message dated 2/29/2012 4:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@montana.com writes: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board with pins, for about $8 free shipping from the

Re: [time-nuts] OP-Amps for 10MHz distribution...?

2012-02-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It's always a that depends sort of thing. If you are after total perfection, then indeed any phase shift is suspect. That includes the shift from the delay in the op amp. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Hal

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread Dan Rae
On 2/29/2012 1:42 PM, Don Latham wrote: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on a .1 spacing board There are several vendors selling similar things. I bought a couple and have just pulled the 9850 off one for another project of

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread SAIDJACK
All the chip vendors sell parts in China in quantity for about 30% to 50% less than quantity pricing in the US. When asking distributors in China how this is possible they say we Chinese expect this pricing, otherwise we wouldn't use these parts This is why it's so hard to compete with

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread Pete Lancashire
another DDS to consider is the AD9851, same boards just a few $'s more -pete On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: All the chip vendors sell parts in China in quantity for about 30% to 50% less than quantity pricing in the US. When asking distributors in China how this is

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi They look like part of an eval kit. The docs on the kit might be out there. Bob On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:47 PM, Dan Rae dan...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/29/2012 1:42 PM, Don Latham wrote: Dunno if you have seen this on ebay: 260967834514 It's an AD9850 with a 125 MHz crystal mounted up on

Re: [time-nuts] 5680A what is a reasonable case temp ?

2012-02-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If it is a normal FE it is pretty close at 15 minutes and quite good after an hour or so. It certainly will beat the original OCXO at at hour. You might just run it when the counter is on and forget about running it in the standby mode. Bob On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Chris Albertson

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The 9851 is a bit more quiet. Bob On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: another DDS to consider is the AD9851, same boards just a few $'s more -pete On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: All the chip vendors sell parts in

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/29/12 4:20 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi They look like part of an eval kit. The docs on the kit might be out there. Bob Like this http://www.analog.com/en/content/CU_AD9850_evaluation_tools/fca.html The part has been around a while * AD9850 Evaluation Board Software for Windows 3.1

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Sourcing parts in China is very different from the US or Europe. When I buy parts in the US I will first go to the distributor and get their price, then I will go to the manufacturer and get promised a better price, still through the distributor. The distributor still gets a cut, even if the

Re: [time-nuts] AD9850 boards

2012-02-29 Thread Don Latham
No kidding! My complaint for some years now is that chips and such are sold the same way as 19th century rubber goods...reps, jobbers, distributors, wholesalers, uncle TOM cobleigh and all... AnalogD does have a web store! Don Peter Gottlieb Sourcing parts in China is very different from the US