Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Christoph Kopetzky
Peter Bell bell.peter@... writes: If it is, then you should see a pulse every 2 seconds, lined up with the even seconds in GPS time. This might seem a rather strange signal to provide, but it's what the IS-95 derived CDMA systems use to trigger the start of another 100 block signalling

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Doug Reed
I ran into a wiki description of GPS using WGS84 a couple days ago. It included a mention of ESEC and it was something like: Earth Static, Earth Centric. I think I was following a link about the Z3801A. It referred to the fact that lat-lon is referenced to a static grid on the Earth and

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/2/12 6:24 PM, Doug Reed wrote: I ran into a wiki description of GPS using WGS84 a couple days ago. It included a mention of ESEC and it was something like: Earth Static, Earth Centric. I think I was following a link about the Z3801A. It referred to the fact that lat-lon is referenced to a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread bg
Doug, I ran into a wiki description of GPS using WGS84 a couple days ago. It included a mention of ESEC and it was something like: Earth Static, Earth Centric. I think I was following a link about the Z3801A. It referred to the fact that lat-lon is referenced to a static grid on the Earth

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
What 'scope are you using (brand and model)? TLL is 5V, CMOS 4000 series can be 15V but runs starting at 3V. Set the scope vertical (channel 1) at 1V/div (probe at 10:1), use NORMAL for the trigger and set the trigger (for the channel 1) *slowly* from 0V to +200mV (assuming that the trigger isn't

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Christoph Kopetzky
Azelio Boriani azelio.boriani@... writes: What 'scope are you using (brand and model)? TLL is 5V, CMOS 4000 series can be 15V but runs starting at 3V. Set the scope vertical (channel 1) at 1V/div (probe at 10:1), use NORMAL for the trigger and set the trigger (for the channel 1) *slowly*

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Christoph Kopetzky
Hal Murray hmurray@... writes: We discussed this area a week or three ago. You don't need a digital scope to determine if there is a pulse. A digital scope may help to see the pulse and figure out what it looks like. With an analog scope, you can either look at the blinking light that

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Christoph Kopetzky
Doug Reed n0nas@... writes: I ran into a wiki description of GPS using WGS84 a couple days ago. It included a mention of ESEC and it was something like: Earth Static, Earth Centric. I think I was following a link about the Z3801A. It referred to the fact that lat-lon is referenced to a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
Here: www.leap*second*.com/museum/*hp58503*a/097-58503-12-iss-1.pdf you can find that there is the option 002 for the even second but they call it PP2S... Try to discover if your 58503 has this option 002. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Christoph Kopetzky dekag...@gmail.comwrote: Hal Murray

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Doug Reed
OK, that's what I get for working from memory. :-) I got the idea more or less right but it has nothing to do with the abbreviation under discussion Thanks for the correction. 73, Doug. b...@lysator.liu.se wrote: Doug, I ran into a wiki description of GPS using WGS84 a couple days ago.

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Christoph Kopetzky
Azelio Boriani azelio.boriani@... writes: Here: www.leap*second*.com/museum/*hp58503*a/097-58503-12-iss-1.pdf you can find that there is the option 002 for the even second but they call it PP2S... Try to discover if your 58503 has this option 002. Azelio, thanks for the link but I

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Christoph Kopetzky
Hello followers, I can state that my measuring of the signal (30 mV, 65,2 kHz) was caused by the serial line of the com port of the receiver... :-) After looking for sources of the noisy signal I disconnected my first the GPS antenna signal from the 58512A GPS amplifier. - Signal intact Then I

Re: [time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/03/2012 04:20 AM, John Miles wrote: Cross correlation is one of life's few free lunches, but you do have to wait for it to work. Magnus is correct in that you can get a 3 dB advantage in noise reduction per sweep, but that only applies to the first sweep. Agreed. Did not mean to say

Re: [time-nuts] FTS1200, OSA8600, OSA8601 phase noise and ADEV measures

2012-08-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi John, On 08/03/2012 05:18 AM, John Miles wrote: The benefit is that I can de-correlate the reference oscillator noise, and measure near or even below it. I have just started doing this, so this is really my first sloppy measurements for you to see where I am heading. I expect John to chime

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Hal Murray
dekag...@gmail.com said: with my analog scope (Hameg HM2005-2) I can trigger a low level voltage spike signal with a p-p voltage of 30 mV and a frequency of 52,6 kHz. Could that be real? The signal level is very low, 30 mV... That sounds like junk pickup. My guess would be from a switching

Re: [time-nuts] HP 58503A

2012-08-03 Thread Christoph Kopetzky
Hal Murray hmurray@... writes: dekagoon@... said: with my analog scope (Hameg HM2005-2) I can trigger a low level voltage spike signal with a p-p voltage of 30 mV and a frequency of 52,6 kHz. Could that be real? The signal level is very low, 30 mV... That sounds like junk pickup.