Re: [time-nuts] FE5682A inside pics

2013-01-01 Thread Fabio Eboli
I reassembled the failed unit and booted it up. The internal working voltage is 15.3V, the unis seem similar to 5680A, and has even the footprints for a DB9 connector in the same position of the 5680A. I will try to spot if it carries the same signals than that unit. As I was expecting the failed

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread GandalfG8
I've got nothing running at the moment that decodes or locks to DCF77, and obviously can't comment on the possibility of localised interference, but here on the west coast of Scotland the signal certainly looks and sounds just as it always does. It's a nice clean signal peaking at approx

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Azelio Boriani
Here in north Italy (QTH locator JN45UJ) the DCF77 reception is regular. On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Anthony G. Atkielski anth...@atkielski.comwrote: For the past several days (now thirty hours straight), none of my radio-synchronized clocks has been able to synchronize with DCF77. Is

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread George Race
Hi Anthony, is there any possibility that you have a source of local interference that started up in your home or area? From time to time, I have had everything from power line arcing noise to a new computer power supply that was generating a high level of interference blocking signals on

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 01cde828$6a8e29d0$3faa7d70$@com, George Race writes: Hi Anthony, is there any possibility that you have a source of local interference that started up in your home or area? For DCF77 a very typical source of trouble is old CRT-based televisions or monitors, since 15625 Hz

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The only problem you may run into with an input capture is that the 72 MHz may be from an internal VCO that's locked to the external clock source or crystal. Often these micro's don't have VCO's that are as good a one might hope. You will indeed have less than 1 UI jitter, you may not have

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 11:23:57 -0500 Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: The only problem you may run into with an input capture is that the 72 MHz may be from an internal VCO that's locked to the external clock source or crystal. Often these micro's don't have VCO's that are as good a one might hope.

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 01/01/13 17:34, Attila Kinali wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 11:23:57 -0500 Bob Campli...@rtty.us wrote: The only problem you may run into with an input capture is that the 72 MHz may be from an internal VCO that's locked to the external clock source or crystal. Often these micro's don't have

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Most of the small micro's don't get very fancy on the clock chain. You are lucky if the VCO is running at twice the CPU clock. In some cases the input capture(s) (and PWM's) are running directly on the VCO (at say 72 MHz) and the CPU is running at half or a quarter of that. Bob On Jan

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Hi Anthony, is there any possibility that you have a source of local interference that started up in your home or area? Maybe, but I'm not sure where it would come from. It's been like this for days, and today there is no reception by any of the clocks at all. If just one clock failed to

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
For DCF77 a very typical source of trouble is old CRT-based televisions or monitors, since 15625 Hz * 5 = 78125 Hz I suppose someone nearby could have received a collector's-item Trinitron for Christmas. What about Wi-Fi, cell phones, and such? They are way far away in frequency, but I'm not a

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
On 01/01/2013 09:54 AM, Anthony G. Atkielski wrote: For DCF77 a very typical source of trouble is old CRT-based televisions or monitors, since 15625 Hz * 5 = 78125 Hz I suppose someone nearby could have received a collector's-item Trinitron for Christmas. What about Wi-Fi, cell phones, and

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Bob, On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:03:49 -0500 Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: On Jan 1, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: What about those uC that use a VCO that runs up at several 100MHz (i've seen up to 800MHz) and devide it down to what they actually need. Shouldnt

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The little Arm7/ Cortex-M3 micro's don't pay as much attention to the clock chain as some of their bigger brothers (like a Sandy Bridge I7) do. At least the M3's and M4's I have seen are running the VCO at 50 to 150 MHz to generate a CPU clock at that frequency. The clock is divided by two

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The first thing to think about is what did I get for Christmas?. If it runs 24 hours a day, it might be the source of the problem. Just about anything *could* have a switching power supply in it these days. It could be as silly as the plug in the wall charger for a cell phone. Bob On Jan

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1991305643.20130101185...@atkielski.com, Anthony G. Atkielski wr ites: What about Wi-Fi, cell phones, and such? They are way far away in frequency, but I'm not a radio engineer. Anything high-tech that could interfere? Far more likely are switch-mode power-supplies, either in

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Could be that neighbor with the 1,000,000 light Christmas display …. Bob On Jan 1, 2013, at 2:14 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 1991305643.20130101185...@atkielski.com, Anthony G. Atkielski wr ites: What about Wi-Fi, cell phones, and such? They

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I'm not bashing the Arm parts, they are nice gizmos. They don't do the clock chains the way they do because they are lazy. They very much plan things out. Their main target audience is low power portable gear. Having a part that drops down to very low current when nothing much is going on

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Could be that neighbor with the 1,000,000 light Christmas display …. Hmm ... that sounds like a likely culprit. There are some Christmas lights nearby. We'll see if the problem disappears with the lights. Good ideas, thanks Bob and Poul. -- Anthony

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message aa21d17c-0ff4-4b22-b3a3-43ac2b9da...@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes: I'm not bashing the Arm parts, [...] They worry about every uA of current drain True story: Many years ago when the very first ARM silicon arrived and they started testing it, it was generally execeeding

[time-nuts] any unheated Vref better than LT1021-7 (at 7 ppm/khr typ.) ?

2013-01-01 Thread Mark Sims
Take a close look at the photos of Malones nice little voltage reference boards (http://www.voltagestandard.com/Home_Page_JO2U.html). The voltage reference chip is mounted on an isolated peninsula of PC board material to help isolate it from stress due to environmental changes.

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread shalimr9
I have had that problem more than once. Missing Vcc on a chip but the thing runs, just not necessarily well enough, or well enough to go through the next level of test. I have also used it when adding an inverter somewhere on a clock line, and a decoupling cap on the inverter's Vcc is enough

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Tom Harris
If you can look at the output of a DCF77 demodulator you should see a nice clean set of 100ms/200ms pulses every second. All you need is a CRO, or you could just use a LED to indicate the state. On 2 January 2013 01:00, George Race geo...@mrrace.com wrote: Hi Anthony, is there any possibility

[time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread M. Simon
The NXP LPC111x series has a PLL that runs at 156 to 320 MHz. You then divide the clock down (internally by 2,4,8, or 16) to what you want. 50 MHz is the max. for the LPC111x series. Giving you capture ticks in 20nS increments.  I have some experiments in the works with an LPC1114 chip and a 40

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1357073110.35421.yahoomail...@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, M. Si mon writes: The NXP LPC111x series [...] My personal preference is the LPC1343, because it has a USB port, and because there is a reltively nice codebase to start from:

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/1/13 12:16 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message aa21d17c-0ff4-4b22-b3a3-43ac2b9da...@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes: I'm not bashing the Arm parts, [...] They worry about every uA of current drain True story: Many years ago when the very first ARM silicon arrived and they started

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread M. Simon
The design I'm working on brings out the UART pins to a header. I am designing adapter boards for RS-232 (using a MAX232 type equivalent) or USB using the FT232RL chip for the USB interface. There will also be an I2C interface for a display (16X2 to start with) or what have you. (more serial

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread M. Simon
I should add that the first published design will probably be a frequency/period counter. It will have an input for an external 10 MHz reference. Simon Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit. From: Poul-Henning

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 1/1/2013 9:42 PM, Tom Harris wrote: If you can look at the output of a DCF77 demodulator you should see a nice clean set of 100ms/200ms pulses every second. All you need is a CRO, or you could just use a LED to indicate the state. This is how DCF77 looks, when received with an SDR

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The VCO is part of the process, the PLL and it's loop are another part. There's no reason why they can't put a good loop in a micro, other than chip area for the passive parts. What ever they do, the loop will probably be a compromise, since the frequencies involved are not known at design

Re: [time-nuts] clock-block any need ?

2013-01-01 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 27 Dec, 2012, at 15:13 , Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On GE, a full-length packet is about 12 us, so a single packets head-of-line blocking can be anything up to that amount, multiple packets... well, it keeps adding. Knowing how switches works doesn't really help as

Re: [time-nuts] clock-block any need ?

2013-01-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The problem with your approach is that you can depart from normal for very long periods of time. Consider my home network, running NTP to external sources. Around 4 in the afternoon all the kids get home and start streaming video. At 7 I get home and start doing the same thing. We each keep

Re: [time-nuts] Is there anything wrong with DCF77?

2013-01-01 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
On 1/1/2013 9:42 PM, Tom Harris wrote: If you can look at the output of a DCF77 demodulator you should see a nice clean set of 100ms/200ms pulses every second. All you need is a CRO, or you could just use a LED to indicate the state. This is how DCF77 looks, when received with an SDR

[time-nuts] A New Years Resolution.

2013-01-01 Thread Max Robinson
I hereby resolve to look at the subject line of every message I send and change it if necessary. Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Woodworking site

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Don Latham
Yay for Forth! Don M. Simon The design I'm working on brings out the UART pins to a header. I am designing adapter boards for RS-232 (using a MAX232 type equivalent) or USB using the FT232RL chip for the USB interface. There will also be an I2C interface for a display (16X2 to start with) or