Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 102, Issue 90

2013-01-24 Thread David J Taylor
Yep, been there, done that. I'm a Ham and have several receivers. However, that method falls a bit short for what I think I need and have decided to look for something a bit better. What has been unknown to me is what result I might get if I take a GPS solution such as this:

Re: [time-nuts] Is there any way to use a TIC to measure time of reflection on a PCB?

2013-01-24 Thread Grant Hodgson
Dave Couple of thoughts here :- 1) A 'real' TDR measurement would require a pulse generator with a fast rise/fall time. The faster the rise/fall, the better. A directional coupler could be used to separate the forward and reflected signals, or you may be able to get away with a 3dB

Re: [time-nuts] Better gps antennas than a Symmetricom 58532A

2013-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi In a receive only application, match at either end of the cable is rarely high on the list. You can sweep the input of a lot of classic receivers and find some interesting VSWR plots. Bob On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:51 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 1/23/13 9:45 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Is there any way to use a TIC to measure time of reflection on a PCB?

2013-01-24 Thread David Kirkby
On 24 January 2013 11:32, Grant Hodgson gr...@ghengineering.co.uk wrote: Dave Hi Grant Couple of thoughts here :- 1) A 'real' TDR measurement would require a pulse generator with a fast rise/fall time. The faster the rise/fall, the better. Yes, I suspect it needs a pretty decent TDR for

Re: [time-nuts] Better gps antennas than a Symmetricom 58532A

2013-01-24 Thread John Lofgren
Should I make it a habbit of TDRing my GPS antennas, receivers and splitters? Cheers, Magnus I think that question ties into some of the other responses to the original post. The value of doing the TDR measurement would probably depend on your cable lengths and how likely you think it is

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Mike S
On 1/23/2013 3:34 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 01/23/2013 02:32 AM, Mike S wrote: Can you have a Cs under zero acceleration and at zero temperature, the only conditions for which the second is defined? Since most metric units are derived from the definition of the second, are any primary

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/24/13 7:24 AM, Mike S wrote: On 1/23/2013 3:34 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 01/23/2013 02:32 AM, Mike S wrote: Can you have a Cs under zero acceleration and at zero temperature, the only conditions for which the second is defined? Since most metric units are derived from the definition

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Part of the process is to actually measure the local g and correct for it. NIST is nowhere near the sea... Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lux Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:38 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com

[time-nuts] Lady Heather survey accuracy

2013-01-24 Thread John Nelson
I hesitate to ask this question on here since it's perhaps more one for position-nuts rather than time-nuts. My excuse is that it involves a Thunderbolt ;-) I've been a happy user of a Thunderbolt for a while as an accurate time and frequency source but until recently I hadn't got round to

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather survey accuracy

2013-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You should get repeatability better than 10M. Under good conditions it should be below 1M. You may have a multipath issue. What is your elevation mask set to? I suspect it's to low for your location. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather survey accuracy

2013-01-24 Thread lists
If you go onto alt.sci.satellite-nav, there are many technical threads about why averaging GPS position readings has its limitations. It isn't like averaging an electronic measurrment where you are filtering random noise. Or maybe it is like an electronic measurement where you have to deal with

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Mike S
On 1/24/2013 10:38 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/24/13 7:24 AM, Mike S wrote: On 1/23/2013 3:34 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 01/23/2013 02:32 AM, Mike S wrote: Can you have a Cs under zero acceleration and at zero temperature, the only conditions for which the second is defined? Since most metric

[time-nuts] UK - Notice of Interruption to MSF 60 kHz Time and Frequency Signal

2013-01-24 Thread David J Taylor
I received the following announcement: UK - Notice of Interruption to MSF 60 kHz Time and Frequency Signal Please note that the MSF 60 kHz time and frequency signal broadcast from Anthorn Radio Station will be shut down over the period:

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I think a better analogy would be: There don't have to be exactly X atoms in the Avogadro ball for it to be a standard. You simply have to know how many relative to X in order to correct for your gizmo. The gotcha obviously is you need the count of each isotope. The same sort of issue

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi, It would seem to me that since the second is(was) defined relative to a specific number of resonances of a C-beam at a specific gravity, and inertial frame of reference, that any deviation from the defined value is an indication of not the error in your C-beam, but rather the error due to

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you take the position that a primary standard is only functional if it's under the ideal nominal conditions - you have no primary standards at all. They all require corrections of one sort or the other. Having a system with no standards is not a system at all... The practical approach is

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Bob, It seems to me that all of our current primary standards are only functional under the ideal nominal conditions. Which ones aren't? -Chuck Harris Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you take the position that a primary standard is only functional if it's under the ideal nominal conditions - you

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If the standard *only* functions unreachable conditions, then you have no standard. The point is that you do operate them under normal conditions, and then correct the result as required. I do not know of any primary standards that are totally un-influenced by their environment in any way.

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Monitor

2013-01-24 Thread shalimr9
Have you checked my page? Http://www.ko4bb.com/Timing/GPSMonitor The Toolstick is readily available Didier KO4BB Sent from my Droid Razr 4G LTE wireless tracker. -Original Message- From: Major L. McGee III maj...@sc.rr.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:32 AM

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather survey accuracy

2013-01-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/24/13 8:13 AM, John Nelson wrote: I hesitate to ask this question on here since it's perhaps more one for position-nuts rather than time-nuts. My excuse is that it involves a Thunderbolt ;-) I've been a happy user of a Thunderbolt for a while as an accurate time and frequency source but

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentioned in Thunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-24 Thread Sarah White
On 1/24/2013 11:07 PM, Sarah White wrote: (quotes) NOTE: If you boot Windows with your ThunderBolt connected to the Com port, Windows will think it is a serial mouse and grab the port. It can lead to some interesting Windows behavior as the T-Bolt outputs data. Easy fix. Add the

[time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentioned in Thunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-24 Thread Sarah White
(quotes) NOTE: If you boot Windows with your ThunderBolt connected to the Com port, Windows will think it is a serial mouse and grab the port. It can lead to some interesting Windows behavior as the T-Bolt outputs data. Easy fix. Add the following to your Boot.ini file. Obviously, the x

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentioned inThunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-24 Thread David J Taylor
From: Sarah White [complex instructions snipped] --Sarah P.S. sorry to double-post like this. === Sara, It's far simpler to go into the Device Manger and disable the spurious device, as described here: