[time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread hutta.j
I have GPS without  position hold, I wonder how precise 1PPS, which I want to use for disciplined OCXO. You do not know how GPS with position hold calculates the measured coordinates vs know the real coordinates of the expected error timestamps 1 pps? Thansk for information

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A GPS that uses position hold gets it's coordinates from one of two possible sources: 1) You measure the actual antenna location with a precision survey grade GPS and enter them. --or-- 2) The GPS does a survey for some amount of time. It averages it's own reasonable location estimates over

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/13/13 7:06 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi A GPS that uses position hold gets it's coordinates from one of two possible sources: 1) You measure the actual antenna location with a precision survey grade GPS and enter them. --or-- 2) The GPS does a survey for some amount of time. It averages it's

[time-nuts] 3 volt/ 5 volt antenna

2013-03-13 Thread Lester Veenstra
I have a Thunderbolt and a Zypher Nanosync II GPSDO, both of which put out 5 V. The typical EBAY Marine GPS Antenna is not voltage labeled, but since it died after a few hours, I assume it was 3 volt. Any suggestions on a mod to either unit to change the feed to 3 volt, or suggestions on a

Re: [time-nuts] 3 volt/ 5 volt antenna

2013-03-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a ton of timing GPS antennas on the usual auction sites. Cone shaped or mushroom shaped white plastic enclosures. Mast mount with a coax connector on the bottom (occasionally a pigtail). They generally sell for less than $30. I've never seen one of the sub $30 ones that wanted

Re: [time-nuts] 3 volt/ 5 volt antenna

2013-03-13 Thread Lester Veenstra
Well of course you are correct. My mushroom is fine, Wish I could say the same for the connector/adaptors I used on the way to the mushroom. All is fine now after reseating connectors. Lester B Veenstra  MØYCM K1YCM W8YCM les...@veenstras.com US Postal Address: 5 Shrine Club Drive HC84 Box

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:03 AM, hutt...@seznam.cz wrote: I have GPS without position hold, I wonder how precise 1PPS, which I want to use for disciplined OCXO. THere is more difference between brands and models of GPS receivers. Accuracy of the pPS can vary over a factor of 1000.But the

Re: [time-nuts] Russian Timing Geosync Sats?

2013-03-13 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Peter: I've been told that the 150 and 400 MHz signals are still active and that in the past week or so the timing signals on those frequencies from geostationary satellites (not the low orbit nav sats) are being used by some hacked Chinese cell phones to determine position to about 1

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread Azelio Boriani
Hutta, to sum up for you: as you have read, position hold doesn't mean precise PPS, only the ability to determine the PPS (the time) with less than 4 satellites, downto only one. Timing grade receivers have better internal oscillators and give better PPS always, either in position hold or not.

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread Michael Tharp
On 3/13/2013 13:15, Azelio Boriani wrote: Then you will start to appreciate things that will lead you to a timing receiver with the sawtooth correction. For what it's worth: I have been evaluating the NEO-6M, a navigation receiver, for use in a NTP server which I have posted here in the past.

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread Azelio Boriani
Good, so we can see that position hold - can use down to one satellite, sawtooth correction - we can squeeze the most out of the PPS precision, whatever receiver (navigation/timing/other) we have. Good to know that the NEO-6M navigation receiver has the sawtooth correction. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013

Re: [time-nuts] Voltage on antennas

2013-03-13 Thread lstoskopf
Some of the little magnetic attached antennas on eBay will operate on 3-5V. More problematic is using the older antennas which require 5V with the newer chips such as the LEA-5,6,7 series which run on 3.3V. There is an internal Bias T, but I haven't tried to bring in 5V through the Vant pin

[time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread hutta.j
NEO-6M buy for less than $ 10 including shipping from China, NEO-6T is unfortunately expensive, and frankly I do not know who sells it for at least a little reasonable prices. Difference between M and T - T supports fixed position - T has TXO Finally, the price at T version comes inadequate I

Re: [time-nuts] Voltage on antennas

2013-03-13 Thread Mike S
On 3/13/2013 6:40 PM, lstosk...@cox.net wrote: Some of the little magnetic attached antennas on eBay will operate on 3-5V. More problematic is using the older antennas which require 5V with the newer chips such as the LEA-5,6,7 series which run on 3.3V. Some distribution amps will all you to

Re: [time-nuts] Voltage on antennas

2013-03-13 Thread Ed Palmer
On 3/13/2013 5:19 PM, Mike S wrote: On 3/13/2013 6:40 PM, lstosk...@cox.net wrote: Some of the little magnetic attached antennas on eBay will operate on 3-5V. More problematic is using the older antennas which require 5V with the newer chips such as the LEA-5,6,7 series which run on 3.3V.

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread David
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:17:30 -0700, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:03 AM, hutt...@seznam.cz wrote: I have GPS without position hold, I wonder how precise 1PPS, which I want to use for disciplined OCXO. THere is more difference between brands and

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread Michael Tharp
On 03/13/2013 09:05 PM, David wrote: This brings up something that I have wondered about for a while. The Garmin GPS18x (and many other receivers) specify the PPS output as within 1uS but does that mean it wanders around over say 12 or 24 hours within 1uS of GPS Time or does it mean something

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread David
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:07:01 -0400, Michael Tharp g...@partiallystapled.com wrote: On 03/13/2013 09:05 PM, David wrote: This brings up something that I have wondered about for a while. The Garmin GPS18x (and many other receivers) specify the PPS output as within 1uS but does that mean it