Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Vref (in)stability plot

2013-04-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 7d58cf6b-25de-4e7d-9570-e512a22aa...@email.android.com, Didier wri tes: What is the bandwidth of the measurement? Very low. The measurements show here are made with an RC lowpass filter (5k/1µF) on the output, but it doesn't change the statistical properties of the noise at all.

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Vref (in)stability plot

2013-04-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 5174699e.9060...@sasktel.net, Ed Palmer writes: I think that Vref is derived from the internal voltage regulator that powers the oscillator. Is it possible that any noise will appear on both and therefore, they'll cancel each other out? That could even reduce power supply

Re: [time-nuts] Z38XX

2013-04-22 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Hi Ed, I had a good look around for 45 minutes and I can't find where I saw it expressly stated as a NVR command. However, referring to the Z3801a manual, for instance, page 4-8 (page 74) states that: :TCOD:FORM F1|F2 selects the format of the time code message returned by :PTIM:TCOD?

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 105, Issue 72

2013-04-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/21/13 10:37 PM, Stewart Cobb wrote: Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:52:03 -0700 From: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] pin-wheel antenna Message-ID: EB790CDDE52944E1A03608CA6CFCCCA8@pc52

[time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread J. Forster
Hi, I recieved a very odd communication, apparently from eBay, this morning. It is a request to contact Congress about sales taxes on internet sales. It APPEARS to be genuine, but I'm unconvinced. Has anybody else received this email, and is it for real? Puzzled, -John

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread Lizeth Norman
Yup! Grass roots spamming at it's best. On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:13 AM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Hi, I recieved a very odd communication, apparently from eBay, this morning. It is a request to contact Congress about sales taxes on internet sales. It APPEARS to be genuine, but

Re: [time-nuts] pin-wheel antenna

2013-04-22 Thread bg
Hi Dave, On 04/21/2013 10:32 AM, David Kirkby wrote: On 20 April 2013 20:52, Tom Van Baakt...@leapsecond.com wrote: For the rest of you: http://www.leapsecond.com/images/gps-pinwheel-1.jpg http://www.leapsecond.com/images/gps-pinwheel-2.jpg It's a thing of mysterious beauty. And the

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread Bruce Lane
First rule of E-mail forensics: Look at the full headers. Trace the message's origin path. That'll tell you in a heartbeat if the thing is genuine or a malware attempt. Keep the peace(es). *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 22-Apr-13 at 06:13 J. Forster wrote: Hi, I

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Vref (in)stability plot

2013-04-22 Thread Jochen Frieling
Poul-Henning, your finding is quite interesting. I would like to replicate your measurements on some other voltage sources and Vref sources. Could you please elaborate on the setup, settings and acquisition process? Thank you, Jochen ___

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Vref (in)stability plot

2013-04-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message trinity-7a7ee757-89f7-4b92-8884-9435668fef15-1366646349138@3capp-gm x-bs21, Jochen Frieling writes: your finding is quite interesting. I would like to replicate your measurements on some other voltage sources and Vref sources. Could you please elaborate on the setup, settings and

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread J. Forster
I did trace the headers back via SpamCop before posting. The originating ISP looked sort of eBayish, sort of not eBayish... inconclusive... hence the question. -John = First rule of E-mail forensics: Look at the full headers. Trace the message's origin path. That'll

Re: [time-nuts] pin-wheel antenna

2013-04-22 Thread Mark Kahrs
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the patent of interest: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7250916.html An antenna is provided for acquiring RF signals from various satellite ranging systems including GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO and OmniSTAR®. The antenna configuration includes a radiating structure

Re: [time-nuts] T-Bolt Mon and Windows 7

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Tompsett (G8LYB)
I run T-Bolt mon and Lady Heather successfully on Windows-7 64-bit using FDTI USB to serial converters. With the FDTI USB converters you can disable 'Serial Enumerator' in the advanced device properties to stop the port being assumed to be a mouse by Windows. On 21/04/2013 12:19,

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 18:14 22-04-13, you wrote: I did trace the headers back via SpamCop before posting. The originating ISP looked sort of eBayish, sort of not eBayish... inconclusive... hence the question. -John Ebay emails always start with your nickname. True ebay administrative (billing) emails ALWAYS

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread Randy D. Hunt
On 4/22/2013 6:13 AM, J. Forster wrote: Hi, I recieved a very odd communication, apparently from eBay, this morning. It is a request to contact Congress about sales taxes on internet sales. It APPEARS to be genuine, but I'm unconvinced. Has anybody else received this email, and is it for

Re: [time-nuts] T-Bolt Mon and Windows 7

2013-04-22 Thread GandalfG8
Hi Stephen There's certainly no problem running Lady H under Win7, nor running T-BoltMon as per the original question, but some users seem to be finding the serial mouse problem to be more persistent under Win7 than it was in previous versions. It's not suggested that the usual fixes

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread Max Robinson
I received one but I don't know if it's legit. Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Woodworking site http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Woodworking/wwindex.html

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread Peter Gottlieb
I'm guessing it's real: http://www.ebaymainstreet.com/news Of course, as always, don't go clicking on random links... On 4/22/2013 12:14 PM, J. Forster wrote: I did trace the headers back via SpamCop before posting. The originating ISP looked sort of eBayish, sort of not eBayish...

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Vref (in)stability plot

2013-04-22 Thread David
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 16:13:17 +, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message trinity-7a7ee757-89f7-4b92-8884-9435668fef15-1366646349138@3capp-gm x-bs21, Jochen Frieling writes: your finding is quite interesting. I would like to replicate your measurements on some other voltage

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread Donald Henderickx
On 4/22/2013 12:21 PM, Max Robinson wrote: I received one but I don't know if it's legit. Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Woodworking site

Re: [time-nuts] usno tours

2013-04-22 Thread Eric Fort
Thanks, figured someone who reads this list may be connected there... not like precision timekeeping is a huge community. Eric On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 03/17/2013 10:47 PM, Eric Fort wrote: Would anyone on this list know the

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread Christopher Quarksnow
Just check the mail header (viewing message source in your mail client) and look for the originating ip address. Then go to arin.net and see if e-bay owns that block ; if the ip address is from Nigeria, arin will refer you to Afrinic, or whatever RIR it's under. Hope this helps, Chris On Mon,

[time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-22 Thread Daniel Ginsburg
Hi all, I have bought a Resolution SMT GG for me to play with, and build a very simple breakout board. The receiver appears to be working (in a sense). That is, it powers up, it emits valid TSIP, it was able to survey it's position - a sane one. Trimble GPS Studio is able to recognize it, and

Re: [time-nuts] usno tours

2013-04-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message CAO2Z-nY=uhu3y0slzfo7tczwqathuwk-qegz52tgx2jrn2o...@mail.gmail.com , Eric Fort writes: The public tour is mostly history and the telescope. If you want to know what's really cooking, you'll need an insider contact. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20

Re: [time-nuts] usno tours

2013-04-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/22/13 12:26 PM, Eric Fort wrote: Thanks, figured someone who reads this list may be connected there... not like precision timekeeping is a huge community. Eric On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 03/17/2013 10:47 PM, Eric Fort wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread David I. Emery
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:13:43AM -0700, J. Forster wrote: Hi, I recieved a very odd communication, apparently from eBay, this morning. It is a request to contact Congress about sales taxes on internet sales. It APPEARS to be genuine, but I'm unconvinced. Has anybody else received this

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay Contact Congress

2013-04-22 Thread lists
I didn't get the email, but I generally use www.ip2location.com to track addresses. Look for demo at the top of the page. A long story, but this is my Moroccan hacker. 41.143.64.233 A long story, but I was hacked for Morroco. -Original Message- From: Christopher Quarksnow

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-22 Thread Hal Murray
dginsb...@gmail.com said: First, the frequency offset of the microcontroller. I use a built-in counting timer in the uC which runs at 84MHz to measure the duration between 2 PPS. What I get is ~84008000 timer ticks between two pulses, which corresponds to about 95ppm offset. While the crystal

[time-nuts] Z3805A Stock RS-232?

2013-04-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: I opened up my Z3805A and after looking at the bottom of the main board think it's already jumpered for RS-232. See the bottom photo at: http://www.prc68.com/I/Z3805A.html#DB-25 near the DB-25 connector. There's only 3 zero Ohm jumpers and none of them are where the Z3801 jumpers were.

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-22 Thread Azelio Boriani
I agree with Hal and if you have a reference you can tell how much the crystal is off. My timing GPS receiver after 1 hour has a total uncorrected wander of 112ns. Never seen 400ns on a timing receiver (maybe I haven't waited long enough). On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Azelio Boriani

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/22/13 3:15 PM, Hal Murray wrote: dginsb...@gmail.com said: First, the frequency offset of the microcontroller. I use a built-in counting timer in the uC which runs at 84MHz to measure the duration between 2 PPS. What I get is ~84008000 timer ticks between two pulses, which corresponds to

[time-nuts] ngTADD-1

2013-04-22 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
I hope all is going well with your next-generation TADD-1. I'm thinking just thinking about putting a T-bolt disciplining a PRS-10 discipling a Soekris 4501. I was thinking a TADD-1 one would be nice for driving 10 MHz line to another room with the TADD-1 also providing galvanic isolation.

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-22 Thread Azelio Boriani
Have you any reference? A TBolt, Z3801 or similar? On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Daniel Ginsburg dginsb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, I have bought a Resolution SMT GG for me to play with, and build a very simple breakout board. The receiver appears to be working (in a sense). That is, it

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805A Stock RS-232?

2013-04-22 Thread Mark Spencer
Hi, I have two Z3805A's that I believe came from the same source as yours.  They both have RS-232 outputs.      Best Regards Mark Spencer     Message: 6 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:26:14 -0700 From: Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Z3805A Stock RS-232?

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-22 Thread Daniel Ginsburg
On 23.04.2013, at 3:02, Jim Lux wrote: Assuming the software is reading some hardware counter when it gets the pulse, there could be variable latency in the routine. 8000 ticks is a lot of instructions though.. The hw timer latches the counter value to a separate register when the

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-22 Thread Daniel Ginsburg
On 23.04.2013, at 2:57, Azelio Boriani wrote: I agree with Hal and if you have a reference you can tell how much the crystal is off. My timing GPS receiver after 1 hour has a total uncorrected wander of 112ns. Never seen 400ns on a timing receiver (maybe I haven't waited long enough). No

Re: [time-nuts] ngTADD-1

2013-04-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi U, e. Even with all the mods, a 4501 is a fairly low resolution device. It's an amazing little box and I have several of them. Some (but not all) with the mods actually done correctly. You should be able to get away with a lot when driving one. Fancy distribution stuff is not

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-22 Thread Hal Murray
I wonder, what kind of timing GPS gives 112ns wander? How good is your antenna? 112 ns is roughly 112 feet. That's not at all surprising if your antenna is inside or under trees. You might watch the number of satellites and/or watch the position while it does a survey. -- These are my

Re: [time-nuts] ngTADD-1

2013-04-22 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: U, e. Even with all the mods, a 4501 is a fairly low resolution device. It's an amazing little box and I have several of them. Some (but not all) with the mods actually done correctly. Ummm, apologies for the errant posting

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Resolution SMT GG weirdness

2013-04-22 Thread Chris Albertson
I'd bet you could determine a lot about the cause by looking at the spectra of the error.I'm guessing that if the cause is an inaccurate survey location then the wondering will be periodic because at one point in the satilite's orbit it will be too close and then the distance will be to far.