Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread WB6BNQ
Hi Fred, It sounds like you are turning it too far and too fast and expecting too much from it. In old items, like what you have, those adjustments are fairly coarse and required a very slight touch, then a wait and see, then another very slight touch, etc.,. It sounds like you are turning a

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Fred wrote: I tried making small incremental adjustments but after I am done, the frequency drifts several Hz and then re-stabilizes at a new value. That is to be expected. Adjusting an oscillator is an iterative process. After a while, you should get a feel for how far it drifts after

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
One further thought: You say it drifts several Hz -- that seems like quite a lot, if you are making small adjustments. I'd expect perhaps several tens of mHz at most, although if it was way off when you started, Hz might be possible at the first iteration. I suspect you have a mechanical

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Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread Bill Riches
This is the method I use for my 5110. There are two 10 mhz outputs on the osc - you can unplug one of the plugs and use a 10x probe there. My unit will hold a couple of parts in 10-8 for months. 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJ -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] gpsd 1pps pulse?

2013-05-08 Thread mike cook
Le 7 mai 2013 à 20:00, Sarah White a écrit : On 5/6/2013 9:38 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: I would like to set up a NTP server on a machine running Linux (currently Korora 18). What are the requirements for the 1 PPS signal fed to the carrier detect pin? I presume the 10 us

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Full blown, troublesome OCXO set procedure: 1) Touch the adjustment gizmo with your tuning tool. Don't adjust it. Watch the frequency, does it bounce? (change over several minutes). If so, your tuning tool is cooling off the oven. Find a lower thermal conductivity tool. 2) Take a

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread Alan Melia
I use this method too, but I also find it little use trying to get the internal reference down to the last squeak in 10^11 on this kind of kit. It will not hold the setting for vey long and it takes ages to get the adjustment spot on. I get as close as I can easily.then allow the unknown

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread Gregory Muir
A couple if items that may have already been mentioned: 1. You've probably already seen the effects of the capacity of your adjustment tool on the oscillator frequency if you are adjusting a variable capacitor. It sometimes becomes a tweak, remove tool, watch and tweak again issue. If you

[time-nuts] Looking for Trimble 34310 oscillator information

2013-05-08 Thread Skip Withrow
Hello time-nuts, I'm wondering if someone in the group has information on the Trimble 34310 oscillator variations? These are used in the Nortel NTBW50AA GPSTM GPSDO modules, and I have seen T, C2, and V variations. Researching the archives I also found reference to a T2 version. At sometime I

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread Frederick Bray
Thanks for all the helpful suggestions and comments so far. I will answer a few of the questions that have been raised. The device definitely is an OCXO as it is in an oven and gets warm. It is an Ovenaire 73-25. As one person commented, there are two 10 MHz outputs on the device.

Re: [time-nuts] gpsd 1pps pulse?

2013-05-08 Thread Chris Albertson
I was going to write the same thing. That the DCD line has nothing at all to do with baud rate. But that applies to a real serial port. If this is being done on a Serial-USB dongle that all bets are off and you'll never get really good result as USB adds to many software laters. You can buy a

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread Frederick Bray
One point of clarification. In my last post I said: So far, the range seems to be from around 9.75 to 10.25 and it has been on for over 18 hours. That is not how much it drifts, but rather the range over which the frequency on the counter has varied as I have tried to touch up the

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread J. L. Trantham
Fred, Be careful about the 'tweaking'. It can become very addicting. Short of a GPSDO, you'll always have to tweak from time to time. The problem is being able to define what tolerance you are willing to accept and how often you don't mind tweaking. Otherwise, you never get any work done,

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question

2013-05-08 Thread J. L. Trantham
I forgot to mention in my earlier email, a +/- 25 Hz range for the OCXO is fairly large. I have an OVENAIRE OCXO in an EIP 545A that has a range (by 20 turn pot) of about +/- 2.5 Hz. I suspect you are adjusting a capacitor, not a pot. Joe -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question -- Oven Cycling

2013-05-08 Thread Frederick Bray
One of the things I hadn't adequately considered was how quickly / much the oven cycling affects things. I wasn't really thinking about this when tweaking the adjustment so I wasn't doing them at a consistent point in the cycle. Now, it looks like it may be cycling from a low of 10.01 to

Re: [time-nuts] gpsd 1pps pulse?

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah White
On 5/7/2013 2:00 PM, Sarah White wrote: If you have problems with PPS, just set the serial port to a higher baud rate... This is the reason I recommend against using the DCD line on the same serial port you're using for TSIP ((snip)) On 5/8/2013 6:53 AM, mike cook wrote: Sara, I'd be

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question -- Oven Cycling

2013-05-08 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If it's moving up and down from +1 to +17 Hz from 10 MHz relative to 10 MHz, it's broke. Either the OCXO it's self is in trouble or the supply going into it has an issue. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Adjustment Question -- Oven Cycling

2013-05-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/08/2013 10:50 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If it's moving up and down from +1 to +17 Hz from 10 MHz relative to 10 MHz, it's broke. Either the OCXO it's self is in trouble or the supply going into it has an issue. ... or as a remotely an issue a weak connection creating too much serial