Re: [time-nuts] wwvb 60 khz tuning fork crystals Some insights

2013-06-28 Thread MailLists
Especially as the inverting gates have independent source and/or drain connections - series resistors can be used to lower even more the consumption when biased in the linear region... On 6/28/2013 7:20 AM, Don Latham wrote: Maybe the old 4007 cmos would be better... Don paul swed Yes it

Re: [time-nuts] looking for low-power system for gps ntp timekeeping

2013-06-28 Thread David J Taylor
Hi Low power and system load are both worth putting some dimensions on. A very simple system may be ok with a single client running into it and nothing else going on. A system that will handle 500 hits a second is something altogether different. Low power could be 100 watts, it also could

Re: [time-nuts] looking for low-power system for gps ntp timekeeping

2013-06-28 Thread David J Taylor
Well I have the garmins already laying around and I would like to give 'm good use. Folkert van Heusden OK, Folkert, but a handful of resistors would easily convert the levels to the Raspberry Pi, so you could add a couple of stratum-1 servers that way.

Re: [time-nuts] looking for low-power system for gps ntp timekeeping

2013-06-28 Thread folkert
I think the problem is that if you are not clear about what your big picture goal is then yu only get a bunch od not so helpful comments like use this is worked for me.. So what exactly do you want. Are you looking for a very low power, say under 5W server. Something that is very easy to

[time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Mark C. Stephens
I noticed my Z3815A was show 0ns (zero) for predicted uncertainty tonight. Is there something wrong or is its predicted holdover uncertainty below measureable (displayable) value? Is there a pForth command that would give me an accurate figure for PHU? My 5 other Z3805A smartclocks are all in

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The holdover prediction is entirely dependent on the OCXO and how it's behaving. Your OCXO likely had a pair of events that caused the aging estimate to get very low. Bob On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.au wrote: I noticed my Z3815A was show 0ns (zero)

Re: [time-nuts] +12 Volts 1A (plus a bit) supply?

2013-06-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are running a cheap switcher, you can have a *lot* of crud. 78L08's aren't very good at rejecting high frequency stuff. Bob On Jun 27, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Arthur Dent golgarfrinc...@yahoo.com wrote: The OCXO in the TBolt has a linear controller. It drops back to about 150 to 250

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Azelio Boriani
My Z3815A has never shown a holdover prediction in the ns range... maybe it needs a very long running time (years) to adjust the SmartClock parameters. Mine has been on for only 1 year. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: marki wrote: I

[time-nuts] Z3801 replacement

2013-06-28 Thread Jim Sanford
All: My Z3801 no longer works, and I've not been able to get any new ideas on it, so am looking for a replacement. I've come across a nice 10 MHz that has very good phase noise (-145db or so at 10 KHz offset), but costs $175 in single quantities (digi-key, I think.) I was considering using

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 replacement

2013-06-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Jim Sanford wb4...@wb4gcs.org wrote: All: My Z3801 no longer works, and I've not been able to get any new ideas on it, so am looking for a replacement. I've come across a nice 10 MHz that has very good phase noise (-145db or so at 10 KHz offset), but

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 replacement

2013-06-28 Thread Jim Sanford
Bob: Thanks. You correctly anticipated that I will use this to lock a 100 MHz Oscillator, and either multiply or lock from there. (I'm considering a VCXO at 1GHz as well, it would either be locked to 100 MHz or 10 Mhz. Haven't decided yet, also considering multiplying up to 1000 and then

Re: [time-nuts] +12 Volts 1A (plus a bit) supply?

2013-06-28 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 6/27/2013 9:09 PM, KD0GLS wrote: /The PT5101 was the 5-volt version. I think there is (or used to be) a 3-amp series as well, but I don't recall the part number. Maybe with a little digging on the TI website you can find a suitable replacement that will meet your needs. Last time I

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 replacement

2013-06-28 Thread Adrian
How about using the 10811 from your broken Z3801A? Adrian Jim Sanford schrieb: Bob: Thanks. You correctly anticipated that I will use this to lock a 100 MHz Oscillator, and either multiply or lock from there. (I'm considering a VCXO at 1GHz as well, it would either be locked to 100 MHz or

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 replacement

2013-06-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, so the 100 MHz cleanup oscillator hopefully will be about -130 dbc / Hz or better at 100 Hz offset. That would mean a -150 dbc / Hz OCXO is roughly a tradeoff at 100 Hz. At 1KHz your cleanup oscillator should be around -150 to -160. That would put the 10 MHz at -170 to -180 to be in the

[time-nuts] looking for low-power system for gps ntp timekeeping

2013-06-28 Thread Paul
folkert folkert at vanheusden.com Fri Jun 28 05:28:44 EDT 2013 It must be a system 5 watt, so probably an ARM system. It will only run ntpd so not much ram is required. It will have 10 (ntp-)clients so a very powerfull processor is not required. While not exactly matching your original request

Re: [time-nuts] looking for low-power system for gps ntp timekeeping

2013-06-28 Thread Chris Albertson
OK, good specs.The The Raspberry Pi should work. They cost about $40 each. The Atom is about $100 and has just over your 5 watt limit but is very much easier to set up, becuase it is just a standard PC and can run a normal version of Linux or BSD Unix. I'd go with a Pi for NTP but if you

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Hi Charles, My Z3805A are usually in the 1-4us range. I was pleasantly surprised to see the nanoseconds! I must ask, do you have the later Z3805A with the MTI oscillator? Alll mine have the older 10811 Double oven. -marki -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] looking for low-power system for gps ntp timekeeping

2013-06-28 Thread David J Taylor
From: Paul While not exactly matching your original request I'd get a Laureline from Partially Stapled, a level shifter from any number of places, a power supply, a case and the misc. bits of glue hardware you'd need. Sadly I have no idea when the new Laurelines will be available and what the

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801 replacement

2013-06-28 Thread paul swed
Tbolts been good for my uses. Nice and simple no muss or fuss. I think I paid $139. Regards Paul. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi Ok, so the 100 MHz cleanup oscillator hopefully will be about -130 dbc / Hz or better at 100 Hz offset. That would mean a -150

Re: [time-nuts] looking for low-power system for gps ntp timekeeping

2013-06-28 Thread Paul
David J Taylor Fri Jun 28 12:56:57 EDT 2013 I would have got one of those, except that it (as I understand it) doesn't support any of the NTP management functions such as ntpq -p or ntpq -c rv I was being a bit lazy. It doesn't run NTP. It emits NTP compatible timestamps in response to

Re: [time-nuts] Z3815A show 0ns Predicted uncertainty

2013-06-28 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Charles, rather silly typo on my behalf, without doing the proper research, of course I meant the Symetricom version. These 5 Z3805A have been running just over 6 weeks. I must have been extremely lucky to strike a batch of good 10811's then. The Z3815A has gone back up to 100ns PHU now shrug

[time-nuts] Regulator Choices

2013-06-28 Thread Perry Sandeen
Wrote: Consider using a LT1083 7.5 Amp regulator.    Well it is $14 each.  The LM 1084 5 Amp 1s $2.43 each   Hefty premium for an extra 2.5 Amps.   If one needs greater than 5 amps, the LM 1084 data sheet shows how to easily parallel 2 or 3.   What’s in your wallet?  G   Regards,   Perrier

Re: [time-nuts] Regulator Choices

2013-06-28 Thread Brian Alsop
If you are in the US (maybe elsewhere) you can request two free samples. Regards, Brian On 6/29/2013 04:12, Perry Sandeen wrote: Wrote: Consider using a LT1083 7.5 Amp regulator. Well it is $14 each. The LM 1084 5 Amp 1s $2.43 each Hefty premium for an extra 2.5 Amps. If one needs

Re: [time-nuts] Some videos from the recent Symmetricom 3120A webinar

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Rosenberg
On Jun 26, 2013, at 10:13 PM, John Miles j...@miles.io wrote: Here are some short demo videos that we used in our webinar recently (http://www.symmetricom.com/resources/downloads/webcasts/#Government%20Solut ions ). They're focused on the Symmetricom 3120A test set (née TimePod 5330A) but

Re: [time-nuts] Regulator Choices

2013-06-28 Thread mike cook
Le 29 juin 2013 à 06:12, Perry Sandeen a écrit : Wrote: Consider using a LT1083 7.5 Amp regulator. Well it is $14 each. The LM 1084 5 Amp 1s $2.43 each Hefty premium for an extra 2.5 Amps. If one needs greater than 5 amps, the LM 1084 data sheet shows how to easily parallel