[time-nuts] Motorola M12+

2013-11-22 Thread Pascual Arbona Lopez
I am wondering if this is a sustitute of the original oncore VP receiver for the Z3801 -Z3805. (E-pay 281161070304 ) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and

Re: [time-nuts] Strange 100ns jumps on Motorola M12+T

2013-11-22 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Hi, Ok, the 53131A trigger settings: I've turned auto trigger off and set it to trigger at 2V (I think this is right, but I'll have to go and double check the exact threshold setting) threshold. Sensitivity is set to high. Location is GPS surveyed and all M12+'s are set to position hold mode. I

Re: [time-nuts] Isolation achieved by opamp based isoamp?

2013-11-22 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Thanks for the spec. I suspected that it would be in that ball park. The discrete transistor type amplifiers achieve around 120dB or more at 10MHz. But, they are a lot more effort to implement than the opamp designs. I believe the transformer in this case is for ground loop isolation rather than

Re: [time-nuts] Isolation achieved by opamp based isoamp?

2013-11-22 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Something that would be interesting to know is if certain opamps are better suited toward S12 isolation than others. I guess at the expense of noise floor and 1/f corner one could cascade two opamps to improve the S12 isolation further. As soon as you are looking at frequencies of 100MHz you are

[time-nuts] DMTD: Mixer DC offset will result in time offset at zero-crossing detector out?

2013-11-22 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Hi, I'm playing with dual-mixer time difference stuff again. And, came across this and I find it somewhat puzzling since no one else seems to have encountered it. Possibly because I'm missing something? The doubly balanced mixers (of the type known to be used in DMTDs and phase noise

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola M12+

2013-11-22 Thread Azelio Boriani
Strange item... it has an M12+ and a supporting board full of components. Protocol translation from 12-channel to 8-channel? The link to the PDF file returns a 404. On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Pascual Arbona Lopez p.arb...@securimar.com wrote: I am wondering if this is a sustitute of the

Re: [time-nuts] Isolation achieved by opamp based isoamp?

2013-11-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: Something that would be interesting to know is if certain opamps are better suited toward S12 isolation than others. I guess at the expense of noise floor and 1/f corner one could cascade two opamps to improve the S12 isolation further. The flicker noise corner

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD: Mixer DC offset will result in time offset at zero-crossing detector out?

2013-11-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: Hi, I'm playing with dual-mixer time difference stuff again. And, came across this and I find it somewhat puzzling since no one else seems to have encountered it. Possibly because I'm missing something? The doubly balanced mixers (of the type known to be used in

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
John, We had a similar problem when we're trying to setup various antennas at various locations pointing at different true North bearings. It turned out quite hard to find true North. We found single carrier GPS surveyed points to be inaccurate to produce good bearings across such a short base

Re: [time-nuts] Strange 100ns jumps on Motorola M12+T

2013-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Something is going wrong somewhere. The question is where. Three ideas / targets here: The counter is a 100 ns (10 MHz input) beast, so it *might* be the issue. The offset source or the GPS might also be the issue (thus avoiding 1/10.24 MHz). The idea with the larger offset is that

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD: Mixer DC offset will result in time offset at zero-crossing detector out?

2013-11-22 Thread Stephan Sandenbergh
Hi, Thanks - mystery solved. This is one of the systems that I looked at, and missed the DC block in the second amplification stage. I guess it is possibly a large Ceramic 10uF. My bad. Thank you for putting up those web pages I find them to be very good references. I spent quite a lot of time

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 11/21/13 11:32 PM, Robert Atkinson wrote: I'd also go for a compass if you want magnetic north, but then I have a good one, a medium landing compass. Mine dates from WWII but they are still made http://www.sirs.co.uk/ground/landing_compasses/patt2/landing_resource These are used to align

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread johncroos
Stephen - [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique Thanks for describing your method. I am learning a lot. here is agovt web site that will give the compass correction for any long and lat. Here in KS the magnetic pole is about 2.3 degrees to the east. Once all the ideas are in, I will put

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread J. Forster
If the telescope on your transit can go to your lattitude, sight Polaris and you're done after a simple calculation. -John Stephen - [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique Thanks for describing your method. I am learning a lot. here is agovt web site that will give

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi Jim, I disagree, the Medium Landing Compass IS accurate to better than 30 minutes (0.5deg). This is also the smallest graduation so it can be read to better than 15 minutes. The calibration chart is given to 10 minutes every 15 degrees. It does of course indicate the orientation of the local

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD: Mixer DC offset will result in time offset at zero-crossing detector out?

2013-11-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: Hi, Thanks - mystery solved. This is one of the systems that I looked at, and missed the DC block in the second amplification stage. I guess it is possibly a large Ceramic 10uF. My bad. Thank you for putting up those web pages I find them to be very good references.

Re: [time-nuts] Isolation achieved by opamp based isoamp?

2013-11-22 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Stephan wrote: The discrete transistor type amplifiers achieve around 120dB or more at 10MHz. Well, SOME discrete transistor amplifiers CAN achieve 120dB or more of reverse isolation, if everything is done properly. But 120dB or more takes careful attention to detail at every step -- it is

Re: [time-nuts] Off-Topic Question -- German Composition Resistors

2013-11-22 Thread Didier Juges
Must have been Allen Bradley :) Same problem here with military equipment! On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Robert Atkinson robert8...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: May be a bit of drift and reading back to front. Some years ago we bought a quantity of moulded carbon compostion resistors from a top US

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Simulator

2013-11-22 Thread paul swed
Link is good Thanks again On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Didier Juges shali...@gmail.com wrote: In order to test my upcoming Thunderbolt Monitor, I developed a small piece of software to allow me to generate controlled Primary and Supplemental timing packets per the Trimble spec. I think

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Friday, November 22, 2013, J. Forster wrote: If the telescope on your transit can go to your lattitude, sight Polaris and you're done after a simple calculation. This is the simplest high-accuracy solution. Celestial navigation is your friend. A magnetic compass is the simplest solution.

[time-nuts] LFphoenix off the air approx 2pm EST

2013-11-22 Thread paul swed
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Re: [time-nuts] DMTD: Mixer DC offset will result in time offset at zero-crossing detector out?

2013-11-22 Thread WarrenS
Stephan Did you also notice that the AC coupling is done **after** the sine wave has already been clipped by the previous stage (according to the schematic note)? This generally is not a good way to remove DC offset from a low level 'noisy' signal. I doubt that Bruce was recommending doing

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola M12+

2013-11-22 Thread Mark C. Stephens
That's not the original gps rx.. (281161070304) Careful what you get off yixun.. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pascual Arbona Lopez Sent: Friday, 22 November 2013 7:33 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread johncroos
Hello and thanks to all for the great ideas. Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique Some interim comments: *agree with regard to using pole star. However it is below freezing here and so I won't be out in the dark with my camera. A good verification technique that must await warmer

Re: [time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread J. Forster
On the transite, I thought that might be an issue. You really need a Theodolite. You can probably pick up a used Wild T-2 or Kern DKM-2 for not a lot on eBay. A T-3 is o0verkill. Asian Total Stations have pretty much killed the commercial marked for manual survey instruments. The ones w/

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 112, Issue 65

2013-11-22 Thread Joseph Gwinn
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[time-nuts] Crude Survey Technique

2013-11-22 Thread Dan Kemppainen
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Re: [time-nuts] DMTD: Mixer DC offset will result in time offset at zero-crossing detector out?

2013-11-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
WarrenS wrote: Stephan Did you also notice that the AC coupling is done **after** the sine wave has already been clipped by the previous stage (according to the schematic note)? This generally is not a good way to remove DC offset from a low level 'noisy' signal. I doubt that Bruce was