Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.netwrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: It might be fun to see what I can do with a cheap $1 10Mhz crystal rather then using an OCXO. They make good thermometers. Holdover will be crappy if you can't measure temperature

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread Hal Murray
[Context is cheap VCXO] When used inside a GPSDO it only has to hold over for one second until the next correction. Only if you have a good antenna and/or antenna location. I have several low cost GPS units located in far-from-ideal locations. They work most of the time but often fade out

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread paul swed
Lars has done a very good job here and good to see the comments and excitement. Have to agree with HAL that holdover is far more than a second and I am in a good location with the GPS antenna at 90'. I see my 3801 go into holdover occasionally and its not seconds. Cheapest tinker 10 Mhz is a Xtal

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:36 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Lars has done a very good job here and good to see the comments and excitement. Have to agree with HAL that holdover is far more than a second and I am in a good location with the GPS antenna at 90'. I see my 3801 go into

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-13 Thread GandalfG8
You've lost me, what code are you modifying at the moment, is it the actual Datum demo software? Regards Nigel GM8PZR In a message dated 12/02/2014 03:48:12 GMT Standard Time, t...@patoka.org writes: You are right ! Now I am going to modify the code a lit bit. Each time as we call

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Albertson
You can buy the chip already on the PCB with supporting circuitry for less then the price of the chip alone. No need to go with a bare chip. I think the reason is that the tiny SMT package chips sell in the millions and only a hob best would use the larger DIP through hole package. Look at

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:36 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Lars has done a very good job here and good to see the comments and excitement. Have to agree with HAL that holdover is far more than a second and I am in a good location with the GPS antenna at 90'. I see my 3801 go into

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread Graham
Actually, you don't need an Arduino board to use the Arduino IDE to program an Arduino nor do you you need the USB interface to the Arduino board to program an Arduino. For example, you can have a simple Atmega328 circuit with a six or ten pin in circuit programming connection (ISP) connected

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread Don Latham
There's an internal comparator interrupt hardware in the Atmel chip the Arduino uses. It can be programmed using the IDE as well. Don Chris Albertson On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:36 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Lars has done a very good job here and good to see the comments and

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Albertson
Graham is correct too. You can do this all with bare chips. But then you need to build a PCB. Lars used the most number of pre-built parts and was able to make an entire GPSDO using two external chips and did not have to fabricate a PCB. I think this is what makes the project so attacive, just

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread paul swed
See thats the pointer I need there was just tons of information. Quite nice and the price is right. Regards Paul On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: You can buy the chip already on the PCB with supporting circuitry for less then the price of the

[time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Albertson
-- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Atmega? I posted this off list, but I'm reposting on the list with mnor edits. I think there might be people looking to buy stuff. If so here are some links

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread paul swed
Thanks I did see the post. But now numbers of opinions are popping up on the thread and that tends to make things confusing. Why use the 28 pin chip? My answer is this. Anything I ever do has other stuff associated with it. So the fact that I can easily solder to the chip and then add all of the

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: I like the $3.71 ebay board with the atmega chip. But then evidently that was not the correct chip to do the gpsdo. Darn liked the cost, size, and form. You could of ouster use the little $3.71 part. But it would not

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread paul swed
I actually think there would be a few changes also as already discussed. I am not a fan of PWM bits to voltage conversion. High on my list would be a true 16 or so odd bit DAC and quite reference. But that drives up cost. Will let the thread run a bit more and see how it all develops. Regards

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FWIW on the topic, since I've been doing some Arduino stuff of late. Bear in mind like many of you I'm not a software person, so that part doesn't come so easy to me. The $3.71 ebay board looks nice, but it's not an official Arduino design, and may not be well documented. All official Arduino

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread EWKehren
Paul I agree with you. I learned from my grandmother we are to poor to buy junk and she had a lot of money. A LTC 1655 is perfect for the application a DIP and last ones I bought where in the $ 10 range. Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/13/2014 2:04:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/13/14 10:09 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Atmega? I posted this off list, but I'm reposting on the list with mnor edits. I think there might be people

Re: [time-nuts] BC637PCI 1024 week rollover

2014-02-13 Thread d0ct0r
I modified two things for now. Its a demo software (Linux edition). And refclock_banncom driver for NTP. Personally, I would prefer to modify microcode or library. But that is proprietary with no source code around. Regards, V.P. On 2014-02-13 10:46, gandal...@aol.com wrote: You've lost

[time-nuts] Line Frequency

2014-02-13 Thread M. Simon
I have done some calculations on the differential (op amp/comparator) method of zero crossing detection and it turns out to be very good. Amazingly good. The delay caused by the RC is roughly equal (actually very close) to the RC time constant of the RC if the RC 3dB point is 10X or more the

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Don Latham
paul: Analog reference voltage from the uno is available. The adc and dac can use the same one. Also, the nano arduinos with mini-usb connectors are pin (out)-compatible with much smaller footprint. They're load and go with the same ide. Used lots of them-nice. 16 bit serial dacs are available

Re: [time-nuts] Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The number of bits and the performance of the ADC’s on the Arduino’s is pretty underwhelming compared to the stuff on other similarly priced MCU’s. If you are doing a design where the ADC matters, a PIC or just about anything from TI or Freescale will do a better job. Bob On Feb 13,

Re: [time-nuts] Atmega?

2014-02-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/13/14 4:27 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The number of bits and the performance of the ADC’s on the Arduino’s is pretty underwhelming compared to the stuff on other similarly priced MCU’s. If you are doing a design where the ADC matters, a PIC or just about anything from TI or Freescale will

Re: [time-nuts] Now For Something Completely Different...GPS Security

2014-02-13 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello Again Time Nuts, Sorry - first time I went to that site it was 'OK' but then I see it requires registration - here's the story: Regards, John W. February 13, 2014 7:22 pm GPS pioneer warns on network's security By Sam Jones and Carola Hoyos [image: Europe --- This image is a composite

Re: [time-nuts] Now For Something Completely Different...GPS Security

2014-02-13 Thread Don Latham
Thanks, John It's quite clear that at least one far eastern nation, need I name it? is going for domination of space, meanwhile feinting with such useless stuff as old rotted carriers and the like, nothing up my sleeve, trick the first, meanwhile building its own gps fleet, hardened i'll bet, and

Re: [time-nuts] Arduino GPSDO with 1ns res TIC

2014-02-13 Thread Lars Walenius
Chris wrote: Från: Chris Albertson Skickat: ‎torsdag‎ den ‎13‎ ‎februari‎ ‎2014 ‎07‎:‎31 Till: time-nuts@febo.com 1) what connects to analog pins A1, A2, A3, A4, and A5. The schematic shows only A0 used for the TIC capacitor. A1 and A2 is connected to temperature sensors like the