[time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Andrea Baldoni
Hello! Years ago, I sometimes played the transmitter hunting game, probably known to most of the members of this list. A friend of mine recently suffered a theft so I thought about the opportunity to embed little marker transmitters in some object usually left in the yard (like bicycles for

[time-nuts] UK MSF off the air ...

2014-05-27 Thread David J Taylor
From: http://www.npl.co.uk/science-technology/time-frequency/products-and-services/time/msf-outages MSF signal off-air Please note that the MSF signal has had to be taken off-air from Saturday evening, 24 May, until late Tuesday, 27 May, at the earliest, due to a technical fault. Further

[time-nuts] Over optimistic PN measurements

2014-05-27 Thread br...@ko4bb.com
There has been some controversy over the Phase noise of CMOS logic devices. Perhaps the apparently anomalously low PN measures are due to the use of cross correlation in the phase noise measurement equipment and the occurrence of phenomena detailed in the recent NIST papers:

Re: [time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Graeme Zimmer
Hello Andrea, The angle could be found with a directional antenna or inerferometry, but about the distance? About the only reliable way to locate hidden transmitters is by field strength. The problem in built-up areas is reflections. At one time Doppler DF systems were popular, but anybody

Re: [time-nuts] Beginner question - unexpected possible jitter in 1 PPS

2014-05-27 Thread Jason Rabel
My question is this: Under what conditions can the 1 PPS signal be relied on to meet its period uncertainty spec? The UT+ emits 1 PPS regardless of whether satellites are visible or not Look under the TRAIM settings. You should have several choices: 1PPS disabled 1PPS always on 1PPS when

Re: [time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Andrea: There are a number of object location schemes. I got interested after seeing the blue dot in the movie The Da Vinci Code. It is a totally fictional device. A lot of new products like a blue dot are coming on the market based on Bluetooth and the use of smart phones. But there are

[time-nuts] New tide gauge uses GPS signals to measure sea level change

2014-05-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Classical tide gauges measure the height of the water relative to the gauge. But since the gauge is attached to a tectonic plate it's elevation is changing. This is one of the problems I have with the claim that sea level is rising at 2mm per year. i.e. how well can they back out the

Re: [time-nuts] Toy Radiolocation

2014-05-27 Thread Hendrik Dietrich
Have a look at Bluetooth low energy. I am working with some nice Modules from Bluegiga (BLE112), they just announced a long-range version. Although they are already very conservative with power and will run for a while even with a button cell, a mercury switch (sorry) could trigger them upon

Re: [time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Chris Albertson
You don't need much power because the device in the toy only needs to transmit for a few milliseconds then shut off. Some transmuter you have pings the device in the toy that acts like a transponder. It only transmits in response to a ping. So limey it can be powered by a button battery.

Re: [time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Chris: The trouble with a transponder is the receiver is a power hog. One way to mitigate that is to have the receiver operate on a low duty cycle and use a transmit signal that's longer than the receive period. The military PRC-68 squad radio used this method and the squelch opened so fast

[time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Mark Sims
I should mention that the circuit that I attached in the previous post does not output at 49.152 MHz The output is the third (or fifth?) harmonic of the crystal frequency... ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Beginner question - unexpected possible jitter in 1 PPS output of Motorola ONCORE UT+ module (Hal Murray)

2014-05-27 Thread David Feldman
I'm using 74HC series for the divider/gate. I appreciate all the troubleshooting help, however, I still don't know under what conditions the 1 PPS output should be relied on (with zero satellites acquired? one? four? all eight?, and what can be expected of the 1 PPS output interval if there

Re: [time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 06:40 AM 5/27/2014, Graeme Zimmer wrote: A simple beam or dipole is useful, but only when out in the open country I have seen some of the equipment used by FCC field agents when DFing deliberate interference to aircraft communications. They used three transportable fixed mountaintop

[time-nuts] Finding lost items with GPS reporting

2014-05-27 Thread Bob Burchett
Andrea; I am a professional in this industry and I can tell you there is no need to invent this; there are literally dozens of these products out there. There are (as you figured out already) 2 parts to the product; the GPS this is where I am component and the reporting component. While GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: I should mention that the circuit that I attached in the previous post does not output at 49.152 MHz The output is the third (or fifth?) harmonic of the crystal frequency... I have had very good luck with these 433 MHz TX

Re: [time-nuts] Over optimistic PN measurements

2014-05-27 Thread John Miles
This type of artifact isn't unheard-of, but it's usually not hard to spot because the divots in the PN trace don't look much like a real property of the DUT. At least with direct-to-ADC digital analyzers, the effect of spectral collapse on the noise plot seems to be time variant in many

[time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Joe Leikhim
I built some RF beacons for my friend's high power (TRIPOLI) rocketry projects. We use a TELEVILT UHF wildlife tracking receiver from Sweden (pricey) that operates in the 434 MHz ISM band. The transmitters are LINX TXM-LR series transmitter chips with an 8 pin PICAXE processor. The modulation

Re: [time-nuts] New tide gauge uses GPS signals to measure sea level change

2014-05-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 5/27/14, 10:24 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Classical tide gauges measure the height of the water relative to the gauge. But since the gauge is attached to a tectonic plate it's elevation is changing. This is one of the problems I have with the claim that sea level is rising at 2mm per

[time-nuts] HP 58503A service manual with schematics

2014-05-27 Thread starbook
Hello to the time experts, I own a nice HP-58503A and I would be happy to find a pdf version of the complete service manual for it. Is somebody in the position to help me or to give me a hint where I could find it? Thank you very much, regards, John

Re: [time-nuts] New tide gauge uses GPS signals to measure sea level change

2014-05-27 Thread Chris Albertson
On 5/27/14, 10:24 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: This is one of the problems I have with the claim that sea level is rising at 2mm per year. i.e. how well can they back out the plate movement in historical tide gauge records? Let's assume they are NOT good at this and are working with factor of

Re: [time-nuts] Toy radiolocation and LORAN envelope

2014-05-27 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net wrote: Hi Chris: The trouble with a transponder is the receiver is a power hog. Why does a receiver have to be a power hog? I remember building a receiver once that did not use any power other then the energy coming in from