[time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello All, Does anyone know yet of any companies that are making GPS-III receiver chip-sets/modules yet? Some web-sites on GPS-III: http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/ http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/civilsignals/

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:14:10 -0700 John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote: Does anyone know yet of any companies that are making GPS-III receiver chip-sets/modules yet? Do you mean a L1 C/A / L2C receiver? I am not aware of any. AFAIK all dual band receiver are

[time-nuts] Datum ts2100 gps error code 41: New clone ace III

2014-07-24 Thread Lizeth Norman
Hi all! Have a Datum ts2100 that had a failed gps receiver. Found a replacement as a new clone. The ts2100 with the new receiver does not set the right time, however, it does know where it is, reports the gps firmware version and gives satellite information. Prior to this, the only message that I

Re: [time-nuts] Noise and non-linear behaviour of ferrite transformers

2014-07-24 Thread Ackermann, John R
Tom, I'd forgotten about those tests (time flies!). I strongly suspect that the bulk of the tempco is from the BPF rather than the transformers. I've been recommending against install the filter unless its really needed, for this very reason. I'll try to do some tempco measurements of one

Re: [time-nuts] Noise and non-linear behaviour of ferrite transformers

2014-07-24 Thread Ackermann, John R
On 7/20/2014 6:41 AM, John Miles wrote: I often find that when I use coaxial baluns to cut down on ground loop noise, I end up with more noise and interference than I started with. Not always, but often enough that I'm leery of them. Due to skin effect, most signal propagation in a coaxial

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Chris Albertson
GPS-III is the wrong term. You mean block three spacecraft. The Air Force is buying 8 new satellites they are calling block III and they don't launch until at least 2016. If the current satellites are in good health they could delay the launch. If the past is a guide to the future the

[time-nuts] IMD in Broadband Transformers and be careful with that enamel insulation!

2014-07-24 Thread Tim Shoppa
The data and tests presented in this source: http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/imd_in_broadband_transformers.htm is a great resource on measured large-signal performance of binocular/toroidal transformers. One factor found that can really degrade IMD performance it turns out, is not the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Michael Perrett
Chris, I disagree only with your statement as a GPS user you'd never know. As stated in one of John's references: The government is in the process of fielding three new signals designed for civilian use: L2C, L5, and L1C. The legacy civil signal, called L1 C/A or C/A at L1, will continue

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Hal Murray
I think you can buy multi-frequency receivers. Remember GPS is not longer the only system. There are stelites from the US, Europe, Russia, China and Japan.Adding more more frequencies allows the receiver to detect multi path and makes it harder to jam but the timing is not greatly

Re: [time-nuts] Synergy-GPS SSR-6tru Problem Resolved

2014-07-24 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Tom, I think that an offline conversation with Dusty Morris may have pointed out the root cause.  The SSR-6tru board uses 3V logic, but the Motorola Oncore boards use 5V.  So the Synergy M12 adapter has to do the level shifting to protect the receiver.  It does this for input signals by

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Al Wolfe
On eBay the RNY25A1 receiver module sells for $15 and $1 for shipping from Taiwan. Supposedly, it does GPS and Glonass. There is a link to a data sheet there as well. Might be interesting to play with one and compare the results. Stick it in a Tupperware box and nail it to a fence post.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:30:07 -0700 Michael Perrett mkperr...@gmail.com wrote: The government is in the process of fielding three new signals designed for civilian use: L2C, L5, and L1C. The legacy civil signal, called L1 C/A or C/A at L1, will continue broadcasting in the future, for a total

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Try http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/. A bit more expensive ($25) but comes with a processor embedded. There is also a GPS+Beidou flavor. Edésio (sorry if duplicated) On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 05:10:35PM -0500, Al Wolfe wrote: On eBay the RNY25A1 receiver module sells for $15 and $1 for

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Hi! Try http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/. A bit more expensive ($25) but comes with a processor embedded. There is also a GPS+Beidou flavor. Edésio On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 05:10:35PM -0500, Al Wolfe wrote: On eBay the RNY25A1 receiver module sells for $15 and $1 for shipping from Taiwan.

[time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Mark Sims
I have purchased about a dozen of these receivers (mostly the RS-232 version for $1 more). Reyax ships very fast. I get them in about 1 week. They work well, and are based upon the Ublox MAX-7C. They output independent GPS and Glonass NMEA messages and don't appear to merge the two systems

[time-nuts] RE : Re: GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
Hello,  While not really monolithic, I have found L1/L2 receivers (mostly for navigation, but also in timing flavor) rather well integrated, especially from Novatel and Javad. Sadly, their websites don't mention prices.  Regards,  Jean-Louis Oneto Envoyé depuis un mobile Samsung 

[time-nuts] RE : GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
The uBlox Max-7Q seems to be able to merge GPS and GLONASS for navigation, but the manual says explicitly that it must be avoided for timing, the delay of the PPS from GLONASS being not calibrated (plus various problems related to timescales). Regards,  Jean-Louis Oneto Envoyé depuis un

Re: [time-nuts] IMD in Broadband Transformers and be careful with that enamel insulation!

2014-07-24 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 7/24/2014 9:37 AM, Tim Shoppa wrote: The data and tests presented in this source: http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/imd_in_broadband_transformers.htm is a great resource on measured large-signal performance of binocular/toroidal transformers. One factor found that can really degrade IMD

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you go looking for them on the auction sites, the RYN25DI from Reyax is the search item for the RS-232 version. The RYN25AI is the search item for the not RS-232 version. Bob On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: I have purchased about a dozen of these

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Chris Albertson
How good is the built-in antenna? Do they work well in doors away from windows? The $15 price, low power and 2.5 meter CEP are attractive. They are 1/2 the price of something else I was looking at. I'd be using them for navigation, not timing. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Bob Camp

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Alexander Pummer
I received a little package with a GPS receiver + antenna from Gentleman [H6m] and I would like to tel him thank you very much 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 7/24/2014 5:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you go looking for them on the auction sites, the RYN25DI from Reyax is the search item for the RS-232

[time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Mark Sims
They seem to do pretty well. I have mine in devices sitting on my kitchen floor. It is downstairs in a stucco over wire mesh house. Nearest window/door is 20 feet away... and it is shaded by a stainless steel covered bridge to the guest house. Also lots of stainless in the kitchen... they