Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread paul swed
Alex I have several of these and they worked well. The new BPSK modulation does not allow any of the traditional phase tracking receivers to work. Paul/Ziggy mentioned NAA as an alternate. Granted its not NIST traceable thats not its function. But as it turns out the things I thought made the

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread paul swed
Ken At least last night NAA was running just fine using a fluke 207 and 4 ft of wire. The antenna is behind a metal rack that shields it in NAAs direction. I did that test out of curiosity. Granted its 2 MW but then again the antenna is at best 50% efficient. Who knows maybe they have sections of

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I would be *very* surprised if the NAA antenna was 50% efficient (transmitter RF to radiated power)….. Given that it’s already up and running with good signal levels, that’s not a big deal. Bob On Aug 16, 2014, at 10:24 AM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Ken At least last night

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread paul swed
Bob The fact is its on the web. :-) I was surprised that the documents said that also given most LF Ham systems are very inefficient given what we have to work with in $ and space. But then again its no an amateur installation. With 16 X 825 ft towers and miles of wire over salt flats and water.

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
On 16 Aug 2014 at 11:33, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I would be *very* surprised if the NAA antenna was 50% efficient (transmitter RF to radiated power). According to this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/145116437/THE-BIGGEST-LITTLE-ANTENNA-IN -THE-WORLD-US-Navy-s-VLF-antenna-at-Cutler-Maine The

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
On 16 Aug 2014 at 12:48, paul swed wrote: As a test this morning I connected the fluke 207 vlf radio that has a 1.1KHz IF out to a XY scope using a very stable 1.1 Khz synth function gen. Indeed the msk is a classic 4 corner eye pattern. Kewel. Also I looked at the tracor 900 de-MSK-r

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
On 16 Aug 2014 at 10:24, paul swed wrote: Ken At least last night NAA was running just fine using a fluke 207 and 4 ft of wire. The antenna is behind a metal rack that shields it in NAAs direction. Ha! At VLF you could probably bury your antenna in a grounded, steel pipe 4 feet into the

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
On 16 Aug 2014 at 12:31, paul swed wrote: I wonder why? And I complain about my antennas. It turns out that Cutler has a much-bigger-than-usual problem with lightning... Well, apparently, first of all, Cutler is situated in what turns out to be an especially lightning-prone area

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread paul swed
Kenneth on the opamps that is correct. But I put little U's to indicate phase. They actually represent the top half of the input cycle. In the top path it inverts once The bottom path twice. So that makes the top 180 out and the bottom in phase with the original. However the 2 X RC sets the bottom

Re: [time-nuts] Cutler NAA on 24.0kHz....

2014-08-16 Thread Kenneth G. Gordon
On 16 Aug 2014 at 13:35, paul swed wrote: Kenneth on the opamps that is correct. But I put little U's to indicate phase. They actually represent the top half of the input cycle. Yes, I saw those, but unless I am mistaken, you didn't add a U after the second opamp, which would have