Re: [time-nuts] thoughts on lightning arrestors

2014-11-28 Thread Chris Albertson
Lightening arresters don't have to handle that much energy. When a strike hits a mast with an antenna on it the current divides. Most of it should go straight down the tower or mast into the ground. This is why the structure is bonded to a grounding system using a straight line path with ground

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-11-28 Thread Elio Corbolante
you can try the following vendor (RF Elettronica): http://www.rf-microwave.com/en/shop.html They ship abroad and prices are rather good. _ Elio. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-11-28 Thread Li Ang
I did a little calculation and it's a 10 digits counter. log(10,000,000,005) = 10. There is still a big gap between this one and 53132A :( For 53132A, the time resolution is 150ps, which I think is 10digits/s with interpolator. According to the schematics the only difference between 53132A

Re: [time-nuts] eBay seller has Z3801A upgraded to 58503A

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Actually there *is* a reason for all the posts. This stuff comes onto the market very rarely. It *is* legitimate Time Nut gear. While it’s here at a low price it’s worth letting people know about it. The Z3801’s were a cheap item once upon a time (like $150 or so). The TBolt’s were sub $70

Re: [time-nuts] Truetime GPS-DC-416 specs ?

2014-11-28 Thread paul swed
Tim I have nothing. But if it seems operational given the time frame it was built you may run into the gud ole rollover issue. This can usually be gotten around by setting the date and time to a 1024 week from whatever the GPS week is today. There are calculators online. But I suspect if it powers

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Nov 28, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Li Ang lll...@gmail.com wrote: I did a little calculation and it's a 10 digits counter. log(10,000,000,005) = 10. There is still a big gap between this one and 53132A :( Not if you can hit the advertised time resolution of your chip. Keep on working on

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Nov 28, 2014, at 7:04 AM, Li Ang lll...@gmail.com wrote: The TDC-GP22 is the best choise for me at the moment. Since I am not a hardware guy, simplicity is important. It's very cheap in China(About 3$ for each piece ). Which is a very good reason to play with it … TDC-GP22 has

Re: [time-nuts] Truetime GPS-DC-416 specs ?

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One quick thing to check (I have never seen one of these): Some of the early boxes used downconverters at the antenna end rather than just a preamp at the antenna. On a few boxes the giveaway was two coax ports headed to the downconverter. On most everything was multiplexed on one cable.

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-11-28 Thread Li Ang
1) What frequency is the crystal at? (can you drive the chip from an OCXO?) I'm clking this chip with the refclk/2=5Mhz, which is done by cpld. something like always @(posedge refclk) tdc_clk = ~tdc_clk; Not sure if it's noisy. 2) Is there more bypassing on the circuit than shown? (If not, add

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Nov 28, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Li Ang lll...@gmail.com wrote: 1) What frequency is the crystal at? (can you drive the chip from an OCXO?) I'm clking this chip with the refclk/2=5Mhz, which is done by cpld. something like always @(posedge refclk) tdc_clk = ~tdc_clk; Not sure if it's

Re: [time-nuts] thoughts on lightning arrestors

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Any form of protection (no matter what you are protecting against) is part of a system. The more complex the system, the more it costs and the larger it gets. The more details you cover in your system the more 9’s you get to put in the “99.9xxx% protection” statement. Is there an event out

[time-nuts] Distribution Amp

2014-11-28 Thread billriches
Any of the group using the TADD-1 from TAPR. Perhaps that unit along with double shielded cables would work for most folks. Looking at the past threads are we trying to reinvent the wheel for a distribution solution? 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May --- This email has been checked for

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-11-28 Thread Dave M
Rick, Thanks for the brief review of MiniCircuits stuff (I'm not connected with them in any way except as a customer). Since you've characterized some of their parts, perhaps you could help answer a question that someone else posted, and one that I would like to have answered as well. Have you

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution Amp

2014-11-28 Thread Dave M
Bill, there are lots of us here that are well aware of the TAPR products, and recognize their merits. There are also lots of us here that like to roll our own (me included). Many of us aren't engineers or engineering students, but we still like to participate in the technology. A little help,

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution Amp

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Dave, Speaking only for myself, most of the fun is in the reinventing of the wheel.  I have no real use for a frequency standard, but designing and building my GPSDO has been very rewarding.  Eventually I hope to be able to share it with someone besides Dan, who has been a big help on the

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution Amp

2014-11-28 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: A little help, in the form of a schematic or a detailed construction project, is always welcome, Then look at the TAPR user manual. Schematic and layout are in the manual. You can modify it to suit your needs. I think

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-11-28 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 11/28/2014 10:08 AM, Dave M wrote: Rick, Thanks for the brief review of MiniCircuits stuff (I'm not connected with them in any way except as a customer). Since you've characterized some of their parts, perhaps you could help answer a question that someone else posted, and one that I would

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Nov 28, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: On 11/28/2014 10:08 AM, Dave M wrote: Rick, Thanks for the brief review of MiniCircuits stuff (I'm not connected with them in any way except as a customer). Since you've characterized some of their

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Sanford
All: After running my 20 MHz LTE-Lite for a week or so, I shut it down and connected one of the 10 MHz units. The LEDs appear to be responding (survey still in progress) as per the quick start guide. Windows installed a new comm port and driver. (COMM6, with FTDI driver) The COMM5 port

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The “new chip ID, new com port” thing is pretty typical for the FTDI drivers. If you plug the old LTE back in there’s a good chance it will come back up as COMM 5. Usually they are pretty good about only adding ports for devices they have not seen before. Bob On Nov 28, 2014, at 3:23 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-11-28 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 11/28/2014 1:04 PM, Bob Camp wrote: If you do need to run substantial current through a choke core, the larger binocular cores with a half turn through them are a better choice. Still useless for 20A (or even 2A) though … Bob The binocular cores come in several hole sizes. All other

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-11-28 Thread Dave M
The very tiny cores on MiniCircuits transformers will start to saturate at hundreds of mA. The effect is that the magnetizing inductance drops, which matters more at low frequencies than high frequencies. I try to avoid feeding DC to an amplifier through a transformer winding. Instead I use a

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Jim Sanford
All: Sharing lessons learned the hard way . . . After messing around with my Anti-Virus program, which declared some false threats, messing with drivers, and uninstalling/reinstalling Ublox, I put the 20 MHz unit back on line. Instantly came up and showed data in UBLOX. Shut it down,

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-11-28 Thread Kasper Pedersen
On 11/27/2014 03:08 PM, lllaaa wrote: Hi guys, I've just get my homebrew counter working. And the resolution seems 10x better than my RACAL DANA 1992. This counter is heavily inspired by the idea from Kasper Pedersen. http://n1.taur.dk/permanent/frequencymeasurement.pdf

Re: [time-nuts] thoughts on lightning arrestors

2014-11-28 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 11/28/2014 6:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: /A mountain top (or skyscraper top) communications setup can be designed to// //take multiple direct lightning hits an hour and keep right on going and do// //it for may years. There are//*lots*// of systems out there like that./ Last April 25 there was

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: The “new chip ID, new com port” thing is pretty typical for the FTDI drivers. If you plug the old LTE back in there’s a good chance it will come back up as COMM 5. Usually they are pretty good about only adding ports for devices they have not seen before. Most/some

[time-nuts] Low cost oscillator packages

2014-11-28 Thread Hal Murray
Assume the temperature is stable and the power supply is clean and we aren't testing one of the PLL units and ... What's the ADEV and/or phase noise of a typical low cost oscillator package? Are there slightly more expensive parts that are a lot better? Is there something in the data sheets

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-11-28 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 28.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Dave M: A couple weeks ago, I sent an email to the Minicircuits technical support folks in hopes of getting this, or similar, info about a couple of their transformer models (specifically, T1-1 and T4-1-KK81), but so far, I'm still waiting. Guess I should give

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-11-28 Thread Angus
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:04:27 +0800, you wrote: The TDC-GP22 is the best choise for me at the moment. Since I am not a hardware guy, simplicity is important. It's very cheap in China(About 3$ for each piece ). TDC-GP22 has 2 modes and 3 trigger inputs (start, stop1, stop2). The min time between

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-11-28 Thread Dave M
Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Am 28.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Dave M: A couple weeks ago, I sent an email to the Minicircuits technical support folks in hopes of getting this, or similar, info about a couple of their transformer models (specifically, T1-1 and T4-1-KK81), but so far, I'm still

Re: [time-nuts] eBay seller has Z3801A upgraded to 58503A

2014-11-28 Thread Paul
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Said Jackson via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Plus the Z3801A seems to just work. On the Lucent boxes we had to suffer through many 100's of posts over the last month... To be fair there doesn't seem to be a 3810 manual so some details needed

Re: [time-nuts] Minicircuits 10% discount in December

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Nov 28, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Am 28.11.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Dave M: A couple weeks ago, I sent an email to the Minicircuits technical support folks in hopes of getting this, or similar, info about a couple of their

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-11-28 Thread Angus
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:57:37 -0600, you wrote: Hi On Nov 28, 2014, at 7:04 AM, Li Ang lll...@gmail.com wrote: The TDC-GP22 is the best choise for me at the moment. Since I am not a hardware guy, simplicity is important. It's very cheap in China(About 3$ for each piece ). Which is a

[time-nuts] USB Serial ports, was Re: LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread davidh
Hi, For Windows, ComPortMan does a great job of managing comm port assignments. Available at http://www.uwe-sieber.de/comportman_e.html Cheers, david On 29/11/2014 9:42 AM, Hal Murray wrote: kb8tq-wyfad0z3...@public.gmane.org said: The “new chip ID, new com port” thing is pretty

Re: [time-nuts] Homebrew frequency counter, need help

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Camp
On Nov 28, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Angus not.ag...@btinternet.com wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:57:37 -0600, you wrote: Hi On Nov 28, 2014, at 7:04 AM, Li Ang lll...@gmail.com wrote: The TDC-GP22 is the best choise for me at the moment. Since I am not a hardware guy, simplicity is

Re: [time-nuts] Truetime GPS-DC-416 specs ?

2014-11-28 Thread Tim
Thanks guys, It was just a matter of curiosity, there's one locally for sale on ebay and I hadn't seen one before :) cheers Tim -- VK2XAX :: QF56if23 :: BMARC :: WIA :: AMSATVK ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Orin Eman
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: kb...@n1k.org said: The “new chip ID, new com port” thing is pretty typical for the FTDI drivers. If you plug the old LTE back in there’s a good chance it will come back up as COMM 5. Usually they are pretty good

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Stewart
For Linux, I worked this up and posted to linuxquestions.org.  I don't guarantee it, but it's been working for the PL-2303 devices for me.  It just creates a link to the real driver.  There are probably better ways to do it. File: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-usb.rulesACTION==add,

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz Filters

2014-11-28 Thread Charles Steinmetz
John wrote: For the most part, you don't want transformer isolation unless you plan on using balanced lines. There are worse things than ground loops out there, and lifting a coax shield away from ground is a great way to find all of them. You certainly need the shield grounded at RF, but