Re: [time-nuts] Sources for Mission Time Clock

2015-01-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
I know precisely what you are saying and I get the feel. Nixie clocks seem so much cooler than seven-segment LED clocks. (And vacuum fluorescent just seems cheesy. Go figure.) So early '60s is retro but late '60s is not. From my view 50 years down the road that seems just ... humorous. Brian,

Re: [time-nuts] Current state of optical clocks and the definition of the second

2015-01-14 Thread Mike Feher
At those low levels, how does one differentiate between phase or AM noise? Thanks Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bruce

Re: [time-nuts] Current state of optical clocks and the definition of the second

2015-01-14 Thread paul swed
Interestingly they use regenerative dividers. Pretty good read. Thanks Paul WB8TSL On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: I think the key to this concept is an optical comb filter. Archita Hati of the Phase Noise measurement Group at NIST has been researching

Re: [time-nuts] New algorithm, better ADEV

2015-01-14 Thread Bob Camp
and input the same in this case? Bob On Jan 14, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Li Ang lll...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Just now, I changed the way to calculate frequency and get a better ADEV chart. http://www.qsl.net/b/bi7lnq/freqcntv4/test/20150114/0114.gif http://www.qsl.net/b/bi7lnq/freqcntv4/test

Re: [time-nuts] Current state of optical clocks and the definition of the second

2015-01-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi More or less by definition: AM noise has the sidebands in phase, PM noise has the sidebands out of phase. PM adds to no envelope power, AM adds to the envelope power. If you have purely random noise, half of the power is AM, half is PM by this approach. If you have what is effectively a

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-14 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Martyn: On each frequency there are a couple or more different codes. The Civilian Acess (C/A) code on the L1 frequency is all public information and so is the most commonly used. But there are classified codes that have a much higher bit rate and allow for more accurate position, time and

Re: [time-nuts] New algorithm, better ADEV

2015-01-14 Thread John Miles
Just now, I changed the way to calculate frequency and get a better ADEV chart. http://www.qsl.net/b/bi7lnq/freqcntv4/test/20150114/0114.gif Looking good! Nice example of a white PM noise floor, just like a 'real' HP counter. Let it run for a few days and see how the environmental

[time-nuts] New algorithm, better ADEV

2015-01-14 Thread Li Ang
Hi Just now, I changed the way to calculate frequency and get a better ADEV chart. http://www.qsl.net/b/bi7lnq/freqcntv4/test/20150114/0114.gif http://www.qsl.net/b/bi7lnq/freqcntv4/test/20150114/newway.tim http://www.qsl.net/b/bi7lnq/freqcntv4/test/20150114/oldway.tim Thanks to John

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-14 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, I have some questions on GPS and GNSS. Do all the civilian GPS receivers only operate on the L1 frequency? Are there any GPS frequency standards out there that use L1 and L2 and that can be purchased by non-military customers? I am playing with the new Lea-M8T receiver. How do I know

Re: [time-nuts] L1 and L2 frequencies

2015-01-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
I have some questions on GPS and GNSS. Note GNSS is the generic word for any satellite based navigation system. GPS is one of GNSS so you don't actually need to say GPS *and* GNSS. Do all the civilian GPS receivers only operate on the L1 frequency? No. All the cheap ones do, though. Are

Re: [time-nuts] New algorithm, better ADEV

2015-01-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Li Ang, You're making good progress. Thanks for the update and the photos. I am impressed with both the project and the way you are documenting and sharing the progress on the qsl.net web site. The new algorithm is good. Yes, the whole idea of a timestamping counter is that you start it

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-14 Thread Stéphane Rey
Bonjour Magnus, Many thanks for your very long and detailed answer. I've read quickly bu will go deeper tonight. Here are the results of today experiments... which are not giving anything valuable... I still don't understand the results I get :-/ With the PM6654C, I've put the HP GPSDO on

Re: [time-nuts] Sources for Mission Time Clock

2015-01-14 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Wayne Holder wayne.hol...@gmail.com wrote: But, 7 segment just doesn't quite capture that retro feel, IMO. I know precisely what you are saying and I get the feel. Nixie clocks seem so much cooler than seven-segment LED clocks. (And vacuum fluorescent just

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-14 Thread Stéphane Rey
Hi John, I hadn't noticed before you were here as well ;-) Thanks for answering. So I do understand I can use Timelab in frequency difference even if my counter sends data in TI in nanoseconds. Great. Ah and thanks for the manual link. I didn't remember this was in the manual of the

Re: [time-nuts] Current state of optical clocks and the definition of the second

2015-01-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 01/13/2015 11:41 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:09:45 + Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: Seems that the state of the art in stabilized lasers has improved a lot lately, e.g. there are

Re: [time-nuts] Current state of optical clocks and the definition of the second

2015-01-14 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Although the phase noise when using optical combs to generate Rf signals is low there is no mention of the am noise. Bruce On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 02:49:33 PM Tom Knox wrote: I think the key to this concept is an optical comb filter. Archita Hati of the Phase Noise measurement Group at

Re: [time-nuts] Current state of optical clocks and the definition of the second

2015-01-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Dr David Kirkby Managing Director Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom Registered in England and Wales as company number 08914892 http://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Tel 07910 441670 / +44 7910 441670 (0900-2100 GMT) On 13

[time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361/Z3810A : problem with Z3812A/REF 0 unit power up--RESOLVED!

2015-01-14 Thread Stan
Hello all, I contacted the eBay seller and he sent me an exchange REF 0 module. I swapped it in and it powered right up. Now there is a single green LED (ON) illuminated on the REF 0 module and a single yellow led (STBY) illuminated on the REF 1 module, so I'm pretty sure that all is well.

Re: [time-nuts] question Alan deviation measured with Timelab and counters

2015-01-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bonjour Stéphane, On 01/14/2015 02:16 AM, Stéphane Rey wrote: Hi Magnus, For some reason I've missed this message and the one from Jim until now ! This answers many of the questions I had. For my defense, I've 3000 messages since the last 3 months on the list !!! ah, yes, I'd like to get

Re: [time-nuts] FOSDEM 2015 has a time-track

2015-01-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 01/13/2015 11:48 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 01:57:56 -0800 Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: I was told some of the time slots of https://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/track/ time/ might be tentative Well, it's FOSDEM. It's not a professionally organised