Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread David J Taylor
Hi, My university would like to have a 1ms precise source of time to do some networking experiments (measure one way propagation delays etc...). So I wandered on the internet to find the best choice with a budget of ~1000€ (~1100 American dollars). I've been overwhelmed by the number of

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: So really, it's a matter of finding a place to put your Garmin receiver and string a cable that's not too long to your *nix box running ntp. The place to put your Garmin receiver may not be as simple as it sounds. It needs a good view of the sky. Roof is best, but

Re: [time-nuts] Austron 1250A

2015-02-20 Thread Ole Petter Ronningen
Thanks all I decided to replace the batteries, expecting delivery any minute now. Surprisingly expensive to replace those NiCd's.. Anyway, after looking at the schematics a bit, I was able to stop the relay chatter by setting the unit to charge, and holding down the reset switch for a couple of

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:11:08 +0100 Matt matta...@gmail.com wrote: My university would like to have a 1ms precise source of time to do some networking experiments (measure one way propagation delays etc...). So I wandered on the internet to find the best choice with a budget of ~1000€ (~1100

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Chris Albertson
I think the easiest cable to make really long, if one must be long is the antenna cable. Use 100 meters of the kind of cable they use for cable TV. It comes double shield and has those compression type F connectors. The cable can cary both the GPS signal and power for the amplifier that is

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Tom Miller
- Original Message - From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup On 2/20/15 6:30 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: I think the easiest cable to make really

Re: [time-nuts] XOR frequency doubler question 5/10 Mhz

2015-02-20 Thread paul swed
Chuck Thanks and indeed I do need filters that I have not experimented with and in that respect this would be more like some of the circuits discussed here on time-nuts. I am using nice controlled delay lines and at $66 each thats pretty un-attractive. But hey when you get them for 50 cents at a

Re: [time-nuts] XOR frequency doubler question 5/10 Mhz

2015-02-20 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Chuck wrote: To make decent use of this technique, I believe that you would have to install 20 to 30dB of 5MHz rejection, and a 10MHz low pass filter in the output circuitry * * * The 5MHz rejection filter is necessary to prevent phase anomalies from appearing due to the beating of

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/20/15 6:30 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: I think the easiest cable to make really long, if one must be long is the antenna cable. Use 100 meters of the kind of cable they use for cable TV. It comes double shield and has those compression type F connectors. The cable can cary both the GPS

[time-nuts] XOR frequency doubler question 5/10 Mhz

2015-02-20 Thread paul swed
Experimenting with a 74ls86 XOR doubler for 5 to 10 Mhz. Typically this would use a 90 degree phase shift to the other gate. The gate acting as a mixer to produce 10 Mhz. The reason to experiment is that I have noticed most of the doubler discussions take a 5 Mhz square wave filter it to a sine

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Chris Albertson
I think you're getting into receivers that are well into the hundreds of dollars range, if bought new. For an inexpensive NTP for few hundred dollars to get better than a millisecond end of things, I think the integrated GPS antenna/receiver with a suitable computer right next to it is the

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Tim Shoppa
Not sure how small your University is, Matt. But most telco/networking departments will have an NTP infrastructure already, that may include local GPS clocks. If you look around at the ntp servers on the university LAN and find one or more stratum-1's with millisecond or less delay, you probably

Re: [time-nuts] XOR frequency doubler question 5/10 Mhz

2015-02-20 Thread Chuck Harris
Hi Paul, It isn't that it is bad, it is just that 5 and 15MHz products at 8 to 10dB down isn't very encouraging. To make decent use of this technique, I believe that you would have to install 20 to 30dB of 5MHz rejection, and a 10MHz low pass filter in the output circuitry And, that is in

Re: [time-nuts] ***SPAM*** SRS TSD11 Rubidium Oscillator

2015-02-20 Thread Mike Cook
TSD11 or TSD12? I have a couple of the latter and they seem to be the same at a PRS10 that I have. I have done some measurements on frequency and stability and they are in spec or there about. Hooked up to RS232, they look and drive like a PRS10. I use the RbMon tool. The ID string is in fact

[time-nuts] Austron 1250A Tuning tool

2015-02-20 Thread Ole Petter Ronningen
Hello My 1250A has drifted outside the range of the front panel control, so the coarse adjust needs some fiddling. The manual makes mention of a special tool to be used for this. I don't have the tool, the closest I can get is a 10 bamboo stick that I cunningly liberated from my wifes sushimaking

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Peter Torry
I am unsure which country you are in but the UK supplier http://www.galleon.eu.com/computer-time-clock.html has a range of reasonably priced units that may fit your requirements. Regards Peter Torry On 20/02/2015 16:40, Chris Albertson wrote: I think you're getting into receivers that

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Tom Miller tmiller11...@verizon.net wrote: - Original Message - From: Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup On 2/20/15

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for advice to get a submillisecond setup

2015-02-20 Thread Dave Martindale
Standalone receivers don't have to be expensive. Take a look at the GPS receiver modules at sparkfun.com. They are under $100 (some way under), and some either require or can take an external antenna, and they provide 1 PPS output. Garmin themselves sells receiver boards without integrated