Re: [time-nuts] Small time server for mobile use.

2015-05-25 Thread Adrian Godwin
I hesitate to say this for fear of provoking a fault, but although I wouldn't consider them especially good, they're not universal failures. I have a Pi running a house control and logging system that has an uptime of 230 days despite being largely unattended (I'm not on site - it doesn't get any

Re: [time-nuts] IRIG-B audio decoder circuits and ICs sought

2015-05-25 Thread Azelio Boriani
The schematic seems to have 4 pages (only page 2 is in the PDF) and the description indicates that ICs Z19, Z14 and Z10 recover the IRIG code but the relative schematic page is missing... On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Joseph Gwinn joegw...@comcast.net wrote: Responses interspersed below. Joe

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread Dan Watson
Thanks for the replies. I think this will make a very nice clock for my lab, though before I relegate it to a shelf I plan to replace the battery pack and experiment with the performance. I especially like the features for syncing it precisely to an external source. After a month or two of the

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread Gregory Muir
Sort of a Navy AN/URQ-10A (Frequency Electroncs FE1000Q) and a Systeron Donner 8520 rolled into one. Both are in ARINC outlines and would fill about the same dimensions side-by-side. The only difference would be that the SD also outputs IRIG time codes. Greg

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi What you bought is a really cool “clock trip” style time transfer standard. You sync it up to the “reference clock” and hop in the car. Drive off to the remote site and use it to adjust the “remote clock” to the correct time. Very useful back in those days, if you needed to keep a bunch of

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread Steve - Home
We used them as time transfer standards to sync the clocks at the Titan missile sites to the clock at the host base. The sequence was clock sync at the host base, travel to the site, sync the site clock, return to base and check timing error. If the error exceeded x, repeat until the error was

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread Glen Hoag
The manual describes it as a time transfer standard. It is equipped with NiCd batteries to facilitate operation of the unit while in transit, as well as the provision for external DC in. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2015, at 16:35, Dan Watson watsondani...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread jerry shirᴀr
That was before my time at Austron. We made lots of those and no one seemed to complain until they broke. Jerry On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Dan Watson watsondani...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just picked up an Austron 1210D-03 on eBay. It was an impulse purchase based on the apparent

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread paul swed
Not sure there is much to say. Its a very nice oven xtal oscillator and divider chain. It has some nice features like slew for the 1pps and would guess it has battery backup. But the question becomes the value? Depends on what you are trying to do. There are numbers of GPS locked references for

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you believe the 3 ns / M applies in this case, tides will give you about 1 ns or so. If the geometry of the motion (vertical) and the orientation of the sat’s is not same / same, the impact will be a bit less. On an L1 system without some sort of ionosphere “help” and working just off of

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread Glen Hoag
Dan, A Google search locates a manual and schematics at http://www.to-way.com/tf.html. -Glen Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2015, at 16:35, Dan Watson watsondani...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just picked up an Austron 1210D-03 on eBay. It was an impulse purchase based on the apparent

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Add to that the fact that not everybody is moving at an inch per year. Around here the magic number is in the 1.5 to 2 mm per year range. It’s enough to be worth correcting survey results vs benchmarks every few years. It’s not enough to get into an L1 timing system any time soon …. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
Hi Bob, You only need a survey if your timing receiver is running in zero-D mode. If you move the antenna more than some practical threshold you should adjust the fixed position or maybe just do another survey. If you plan to move a lot, or if your application is mobile, or are on a slippery

Re: [time-nuts] What did I buy? Austron 1210D-03

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Best guess is that you will get down below 1x10^-9 fairly soon. That will let you stay within 100 ns of GPS for a 100 second walk around the block…. It would be unusual if it stayed below 1x10^-11 for any length of time. That would extend your walk time to about three hours. As you take

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
Attila, Timing people account for everything that's important. A continental drift of an inch per year acts like a slow phase change over time, which by definition, is a frequency offset. So an inch per year is at most 1/12 * 1e-9 / (365*86400) or 3e-18. For the current precision with which

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 1995 Issue - A Kludgy Fix

2015-05-25 Thread descoubes
Hello all, I am very pleased to inform you that the 1995 year bug on the TS2100 has been solved. You will have to replace the existing Trimble ACE III GPS receiver by our N024 with special firmware. If you wish to purchase it, just inform me how many units you will need, and also your shipping

[time-nuts] Indicator lenses for the HP 5065A and 5061A/B

2015-05-25 Thread cdelect
Surplus sales of nebraska has lenses that fit into the 5065A lamp holders. (Also 5061A/B) LMP-RL-180TT (teal- light green) LMP-RL-180YT (yellow) They show a green one also but it's too short. The yellow needs to be filed a bit as the plastic portion that extends into the holder is a tiny bit

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you happen to *need* precise time on a moving platform, then GPS can do that as well. There are a number of military systems that have this need. There are also some things like mobile direction finding by TDOA that have multiple use cases. Bob On May 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Bob Stewart

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, How is this achieved?  Is there a coupled dead-reckoning system that updates the timing location, or something else? Bob From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, May 25,

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Björn
Bob, Tom says 'almost'.  In a static location you can improve your timing results by establishing your antenna position as good as possible. It will work almost as good without a survey.  In a moving scenario you can of cause not do a survey. But try finding another way to do time transfer

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom said: The nice thing about GPS, unlike other time transfer methods, is that can handle the case of a moving antenna. As the antenna moves so does the time. This is why GPS timing receivers work (almost as well) on top of your car as on top of your house. I don't get that.  What's the

[time-nuts] FTS 8400

2015-05-25 Thread Ole Petter Ronningen
Hello, all I recently came across a FTS 8400 Satellite Timing Receiver, and while I await delivery, I am trying to dig up some more information about it. I haven't been able to find much on line, but from what little I have found they've been used in some pretty high end setups - which leads me

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If I was going to do it today, I’d do an “all in view” solution with GPS / GLONASS and whatever else I could pick up (WAAS etc). I’d grab the data at L1 / L2 / L5. Even in motion, the location solution is going to be pretty good. If it was a system that made money for people, there are

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Tom Van Baak
How is this achieved? Is there a coupled dead-reckoning system that updates the timing location, or something else? Hi BobS, No need for dead-reckoning -- GPS gives you the location. And the time. Take a step back and remember how GPS works. You have sats flying above that essentially send

[time-nuts] LTC6957 internal architecture

2015-05-25 Thread Bruce Griffiths
The following patent hints that the LTC6957 front end probably consists of several cascaded long tailed pair differential amplifier stages each with a selectable bandwidth set by capacitors shunting the collector load resistors. : US8319551 The input limiter is in effect a Collins style

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Tom, I'm not sure what you mean by this 0D vs 3D.  I'm using an LEA-6T.  There are three time transfer modes 0=disabled, 1=survey-in, 2=fixed mode.  Are you suggesting that I set it to disabled to run a test?  I've never tried that.  I know that if I monitor the output while doing a survey,