Re: [time-nuts] Nature: Hyper-precise atomic clocks face off to redefine time

2015-06-06 Thread Anders Wallin
Here are some details on the gravity measurements: http://projects.npl.co.uk/itoc/project-structure/reg/gravity-observations/ AFAIK this campaign is done with GPS-PPP and TWSTFT for frequency comparison. The troposphere makes it hard to reach 1e-17 level for the satellite links - even with a week

Re: [time-nuts] METAS tour report (was Tour of METAS (Swiss Federal Institute of Metrology) time lab: any questions or requests?)

2015-06-06 Thread David J Taylor
Hi all, On Friday I toured the METAS Time Frequency lab with two others: Patrick, a colleague from work and Atilla, a fellow time-nut. I'd like to report a bit about what we learned today that may be of interest to other time-nuts. [] If anyone has any questions or comments, let me know and

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency divider

2015-06-06 Thread Hal Murray
rich...@karlquist.com said: I used a CPLD in a 900 GHz (that's right 900 GHz) optical sampling scope timebase. It was great because you just write a 17 bit counter in VHDL and there it is. You don't have to know anything about building digital hardware any more (40 years of experience

Re: [time-nuts] Nature: Hyper-precise atomic clocks face off to redefine time

2015-06-06 Thread Hal Murray
rich...@karlquist.com said: Can someone explain to me how this is going to work in light of the fact that each clock is in a different gravitational field? They just shift from measuring time to measuring gravity. :) Time too good to be true By Daniel Kleppner March 2006

Re: [time-nuts] Nature: Hyper-precise atomic clocks face off to redefine time

2015-06-06 Thread Tom Van Baak
Can someone explain to me how this is going to work in light of the fact that each clock is in a different gravitational field? Or is accuracy not the measurement, but rather stability? No, that can't be because any lab that wants to measure stability merely needs to build two or three

Re: [time-nuts] Nature: Hyper-precise atomic clocks face off to redefine time

2015-06-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
NIST already measured the shift as they jacked one lab-bench 3 dm up. Already for the EAL to TAI conversion, the altitude correction is done. So, they are aware of it and already compensate for it when needed. Gravity shifts is definitely on the map of comparison issues they need to deal with.

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency divider

2015-06-06 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The counter only had to run at ~50 MHz, on account of our mode locked laser ran at that frequency. I don't remember what the CPLD was rated at. Rick On 6/5/2015 8:19 PM, Hal Murray wrote: rich...@karlquist.com said: I used a CPLD in a 900 GHz (that's right 900 GHz) optical sampling scope

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency divider

2015-06-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jun 5, 2015, at 11:19 PM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: rich...@karlquist.com said: I used a CPLD in a 900 GHz (that's right 900 GHz) optical sampling scope timebase. It was great because you just write a 17 bit counter in VHDL and there it is. You don't have to know

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency divider

2015-06-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Here’s an example: http://parts.arrow.com/item/detail/arrow-development-tools/bemicromax10#pg2e https://www.altera.com/products/fpga/max-series/max-10/overview.highResolutionDisplay.html There are other outfits that make similar parts that are at least as good. This is considered a low end

Re: [time-nuts] Using CPLD/FPGA or similar for frequency divider

2015-06-06 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 09:52:11 -0400 Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Was it a simple counter or was there enable/up/down/load type gating involved? What would you have done if you needed to run a bit faster? Bought a faster FPGA or gone to an ASIC. Could you buy a faster chip?

Re: [time-nuts] Nature: Hyper-precise atomic clocks face off to redefine time

2015-06-06 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Rick, On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 17:19:05 -0700 Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: Can someone explain to me how this is going to work in light of the fact that each clock is in a different gravitational field? Or is accuracy not the measurement, but rather stability? No,

Re: [time-nuts] TymServe 2100 OCXO (MTI 240-0530-D)

2015-06-06 Thread Gerhard Wittreich
I completed the TCXO to OCXO (MTI 240-0530-D) upgrade yesterday with no issues. TCXO is a bit troublesome to remove (Four through the hole mounts. Can made stiff and difficult to move any corner much. Slowly worked my way around the four mounts repeatedly until they came loose.) but a bit of