[time-nuts] Hackaday Article on Nortel GPSTM

2015-07-24 Thread Neil McNeight
I realize many people on the list are going to be familiar with the equipment and process, but it's interesting to see write-ups like this receive publicity on a larger scale. Especially when the article cautions ... get sucked into hacking frequency references and you may become a time nut

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-24 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Rick wrote: optimum noise figure is a function of the ratio between base spreading resistance and (beta)(r-sub-e). If base spreading resistance is high, you make r-sub-e high by reducing collector current. I replied: reducing transistor current to raise the noise resistance causes

Re: [time-nuts] ground plane for cheap helix antennas?

2015-07-24 Thread Azelio Boriani
You can try to build a poor man's choke ring: http://www.mauve.gr/var/DIY_Choke_Ring_GPS_Antenna.htm On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Alan Ambrose alan.ambr...@anagram.net wrote: Hi, is there any benefit in adding a ground plane to these simple timing antennas? e.g. GPS-TMG-26N

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-24 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
OTOH, the other cure for high base spreading resistance is to simply parallel multiple devices. This avoids the bad side effects you mention. The other key noise parameter in a BJT is RF current gain, and this cannot be cured by any circuit design tricks. Rick Karlquist N6RK On 7/23/2015 8:29

Re: [time-nuts] ground plane for cheap helix antennas?

2015-07-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Alan Ambrose alan.ambr...@anagram.net wrote: Hi, is there any benefit in adding a ground plane to these simple timing antennas? e.g. GPS-TMG-26N http://www.antenna.com/apg_products.cgi?id_num=11740 In which case, how big? And I'm imagining immediately

Re: [time-nuts] ground plane for cheap helix antennas?

2015-07-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:38:00 + Alan Ambrose alan.ambr...@anagram.net wrote: Hi, is there any benefit in adding a ground plane to these simple timing antennas? e.g. GPS-TMG-26N http://www.antenna.com/apg_products.cgi?id_num=11740 In which case, how big? And I'm imagining immediately

Re: [time-nuts] Square to sine wave symmetrical conversion (part 2)

2015-07-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If your 10 MHz is the result of a “divide by 2 then divide by 5” approach, the output will not be a 50/50 duty cycle square wave. The best way to fix that is to move up the chain and play with the dividers. You need to re-aragne them so the final divider is a divide by 2. When you do so,

[time-nuts] eLoran next possible transmission test update

2015-07-24 Thread paul swed
Was a good week for eLORAN I was able to check out much of my equipment. Next possible test may be 6-7 August. Not firm. Possibly from Dana Indiana. One of the original actual LORAN C sites. Wildwood NJ was and is a test site and at lower power and a shorter antenna I believe. I did send my

Re: [time-nuts] Square to sine wave symmetrical conversion (part 2)

2015-07-24 Thread jerry shirᴀr
Symmetry is based on the biasing of the sinewave feeding the gate that you are trying to create a sinewave from. Jerry N9XR. On Jul 24, 2015 7:19 PM, skipp Isaham via time-nuts time-nuts@febo.com wrote: Hello again, First off, I want to thank everyone who replied direct and through the group

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-24 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 7/24/2015 11:58 AM, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Charles: Does hFE (DC) have much relevance to this? Would hfe (AC) be the important one? Only insofar as DC current gain is an upper bound on AC current gain. If your operating frequency is less than f-sub-t divided by beta, then DC current

Re: [time-nuts] Square to sine wave symmetrical conversion (part 2)

2015-07-24 Thread Charles Steinmetz
skipp wrote: [the 10MHz output is] not even close to being symmetrical. The waveform on-portion (duty cycle) appears (surprising to me) to be much less than 20% Now I'm under the assumption that proper rounding or conversion of the non symmetrical 10 MHz square to a sine wave will be a bit

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-24 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Brooke wrote: Does hFE (DC) have much relevance to this? Would hfe (AC) be the important one? It depends on whether you are more interested in the 1/f noise, which causes most of the phase noise in oscillators and the additive (residual) PN in amplifiers, or the in-band noise. As I said

Re: [time-nuts] how to find low noise transistors

2015-07-24 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Charles: Does hFE (DC) have much relevance to this? Would hfe (AC) be the important one? Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html Charles Steinmetz wrote: Rick wrote:

[time-nuts] Square to sine wave symmetrical conversion (part 2)

2015-07-24 Thread skipp Isaham via time-nuts
Hello again, First off, I want to thank everyone who replied direct and through the group regarding my recent 10 MHz square to sine wave conversion info request. I obtained a mini-circuits 10.7 MHz low pass filter from Ebay cheap enough and I also plan on rolling my own based on some of the

Re: [time-nuts] ground plane for cheap helix antennas?

2015-07-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:38:00 + Alan Ambrose alan.ambr...@anagram.net wrote: Hi, is there any benefit in adding a ground plane to these simple timing antennas? e.g. GPS-TMG-26N