Re: [time-nuts] Lamp oven repair info for HP 5065A

2015-08-02 Thread paul swed
Chuck I suspect it actually is for you. As you say you now have a great deal of insight that you did not before and as I have often read here. Its funny how we have all learned about the nasty effects of age. Ahhh I mean equipment that is. So I would bet you could get it going. The RB elements in

[time-nuts] KS Lucent RFTG-u power supply

2015-08-02 Thread Ian Stirling
I bought several of these, 19.5 V 4.75A power supplies from user shunwei2014 on the auction site. http://www.ebay.com/itm/201159335516?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT I have no association other than being a customer. One of these power supplies freed my lab power

Re: [time-nuts] Lab upgrade

2015-08-02 Thread Jason Ball
The fault was found by somebody with a heck of a lot more experience than yours truly. Turns out the 5v regulator had shorted out, a protection diode did it's thing and popped the fuse protecting the rest of the system. J. On 29 Jul 2015 2:49 am, Robert LaJeunesse lajeune...@mail.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A few thoughts: On Aug 1, 2015, at 9:34 PM, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: Hi Bob, I believe that the approach I used in the example plot I linked in the other post was PPS to ext/arm, GPSDO 10MHz to start, Cs 10MHz to stop. So, is this a methodology issue, then? Is the pps from

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 1502052008.304624.1438465781711.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com, Bob Stewart writes: Here's an example of what I'm talking about.  See description and notes.  The blue trace is the one using the clock in the 5370A.  The other tests match pretty closely down to around 60s or so.

[time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Square to sine wave symmetrical conversion (part 2)

2015-08-02 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
[I could not see this echoed by the server on the 1st try. ] Am 28.07.2015 um 03:58 schrieb Bill Byrom N5BB: [ nice and understandable summary of the Lee / Hajimiri ideas ] OTOH with this Dirac-style resonator feeding, one collects the noise sidebands from order 1 to MAXINT and one needs to

Re: [time-nuts] Modified Allan Deviation and counter averaging

2015-08-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Poul-Henning, On 08/01/2015 10:32 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message 49c4ccd3-09ce-48a4-82b8-9285a4381...@n1k.org, Bob Camp writes: The approach you are using is still a discrete time sampling approach. As such it does not directly violate the data requirements for ADEV or

[time-nuts] Output MMIC in Lucent Rb units....

2015-08-02 Thread Yuri Ostry
Hello, Does anyone know model of MMIC that is used in output stage of 15 MHz amplifier chain in Lucent Rb units? It is pretty large ceramic case with gold plated covers. For example, it is U4 on a following board photo. http://www.makarov.ca/images/rubidium/Lucent%20011.jpg The same MMIC was

[time-nuts] Measurement resolution to be improved

2015-08-02 Thread timeok
Hi, For the measurement of Allan Deviation my configuration consists of a HP53132A and TIMELAB. I verified that the best resolution is using the universal counter as a frequency counter. Using the time interval counter with 1 PPS input is definitely has a more precise measurement but the

[time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-02 Thread timeok
Hi, I have seen, but I do not remember where, someone have rebuilt the external oven controller to complete a stand alone OCXO removed from an HPZ3801A. Can you hep me to find the document? Luciano timeok Message sent via Atmail Open - http://atmail.org/

[time-nuts] Lamp oven repair info for HP 5065A

2015-08-02 Thread cdelect
Hi, Just thought I'd share some info on repairing a defective HP 5065A lamp oven. These ovens can fail either shorted to the oven cylinder or have interwinding shorts. I have repaired three optical units so far with this failure. The original winding was insulated twisted pair wound directly

Re: [time-nuts] Source of Rubidium Lamp for Efratom FRK

2015-08-02 Thread Mike Niven
Thanks Chuck and Bob for the further comments. I have actually had a reply from Sematron. Seems that the lamps are still available at only £781.63 - call it $1,100! Since that probably buys four Racal 9475s when they appear, I think I might go the other route. I also think that the lazy

[time-nuts] Everything you wanted to know about Oscillators

2015-08-02 Thread Bryan _
Interesting video. http://hackaday.com/2015/08/01/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-oscillators/ -=Bryan=- ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Measurement resolution to be improved

2015-08-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Aug 2, 2015, at 3:18 AM, tim...@timeok.it wrote: Hi, For the measurement of Allan Deviation my configuration consists of a HP53132A and TIMELAB. I verified that the best resolution is using the universal counter as a frequency counter. True, but the counter “lies to you in

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The “external” heater on the Z3801 OCXO is only needed if you are regularly running below -20C in your environment. Other than the alarm signal, there is no harm in letting it simply shut off forever. Bob On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:56 AM, tim...@timeok.it wrote: Hi, I have seen, but I do

Re: [time-nuts] Everything you wanted to know about Oscillators

2015-08-02 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 18:18:18 -0700 Bryan _ bpl...@outlook.com wrote: http://hackaday.com/2015/08/01/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-oscillators/ Yes, not too bad. But when you actually want to know what makes an oscillator tick, i would rather recommend [1] as a treatment of general

Re: [time-nuts] Everything you wanted to know about Oscillators

2015-08-02 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
These are better summary papers : http://www.qsl.net/va3iul/Phase%20noise%20in%20Oscillators.pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.309.5449rep=rep1t ype=pdf 73 de Ulrich N1UL In a message dated 8/2/2015 6:24:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Re: [time-nuts] Modified Allan Deviation and counter averaging

2015-08-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 55bdb002.8060...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: For true white PM *random* noise you can move your phase samples around, but you gain nothing by bursting them. I gain nothing mathematically, but in practical terms it would be a lot more manageable to record an

Re: [time-nuts] Everything you wanted to know about Oscillators

2015-08-02 Thread KA2WEU--- via time-nuts
well, the Pierce oscillator does not give that much freedom, the steady state loop gain should be Pi (about 3) as the RF Gm = Gmo/pi. This analysis does not address the important SSB noise gut guaranties oscillation. In testing enough a loaded Ql of Qp/2 is best for power

Re: [time-nuts] Source of Rubidium Lamp for Efratom FRK

2015-08-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That’s about the right price relative to the last time I bought any of them. Bob On Aug 2, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Mike Niven mfni...@ymail.com wrote: Thanks Chuck and Bob for the further comments. I have actually had a reply from Sematron. Seems that the lamps are still available at

Re: [time-nuts] Lamp oven repair info for HP 5065A

2015-08-02 Thread Chuck Harris
The main oven on my 5065A was made with a bifilar winding of enamel covered nichrome wire wound directly on the aluminum oven. To cancel the magnetic field, the far end of the coil was shorted, making the heater a hairpin loop No twist that I recall... The enamel was compromised somewhere