Re: [time-nuts] Redundant GPSDO configuration / hardware

2015-10-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are an enormous number of branches and twists in coming up with a “zero failure” system. One of many: If the system uses GPS (or any GNSS) *and* Joe pulls up with a GPS jammer in his truck, all GPS systems go off the air. If Joe parks in the parking lot for a few weeks, the systems

Re: [time-nuts] another gpsdo

2015-10-09 Thread Richard W. Solomon
There was a caveat on the page about some relationship between the two outputs, But there wasn't any specifics. How does one see what the limitations are ? Tnx, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Beat Sent: Friday, Oct

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The PPS out of the GPS has a number of issues short term. Without sawtooth correction it likely is hopping and bopping 5 or 10 ns each second. Looked at as frequency, the 1 Hz is +/- many ppb. The “frequency” output inherits this problem and adds the issues associated with pulse drop freque

[time-nuts] 8th Symposium on Frequency Standards and Metrology

2015-10-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts, Next week is filled with interesting stuff as we gather in Potsdam for this: https://www.ptb.de/8fsm2015/about-the-symposium/ I and Attila will be there, so who will join us? PS. For the moment I actually don't know how many Cs-clocks I have... it's complicated. Cheers, Ma

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Mike Cook
> Le 9 oct. 2015 à 16:16, Clint Jay a écrit : > > I am still learning and want to understand, if the PPS is good then why is > the programmable output bad, as I understand it thus far, the PPS is > derived from the same clock source or have I got that badly wrong? Yes, the same clock, BUT the o

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Graham / KE9H
There is a lot of jitter on a GPS 1 PPS output. You need a big "flywheel" to smooth out the jitter errors. GPS modules only have room for small flywheels. --- Graham On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Clint Jay wrote: > I am still learning and want to understand, if the PPS is good then why is > t

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Bert Kehren via time-nuts
The 1 pps and the output frequencies are all derived from the same XO in the module. Up to 7 the difference in a T is that the saw tooth correction factor is brought out for correction purposes . 7 has a much higher XO frequency than the 5 so the saw tooth is smaller. So use a ublox 7 if you

Re: [time-nuts] Rohde & Schwarz GPSDO

2015-10-09 Thread Rami Vainio
On 7.10.2015 14:45, Arthur Dent wrote: I believe that like a lot of the Meinberg receivers that this uses a down converter to give an IF frequency of 35.4 MHz. If you don't have the converter that apparently isn't included with the receiver you have a $300 paperweight. You might want to check wit

[time-nuts] Redundant GPSDO configuration / hardware

2015-10-09 Thread skipp Isaham via time-nuts
Redundant GPSDO configuration / hardware Hello to the Group, I realize integrated redundant GPSDO systems are available. If I wanted to obtain a near zero failure down time using (dual) separate GPSDO hardware, is there a conventional or practical method to integrate or construct a hot stan

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RTFG-u DE-9 connectors

2015-10-09 Thread Alexander Huemer
Hi! On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 10:52:37PM +0200, Alexander Huemer wrote: > on the Lucent RTFG-u units there are two types of D-subminiature 9 pin > connectors. The common, threaded type and some other type with a > different kind of fastening technique I have never seen before. > Does this other ty

Re: [time-nuts] another gpsdo

2015-10-09 Thread Gregory Beat
Some additional information from Don, AJ7LL post on new GPS product. This is what Bill, AA7XT (new Force12) posted on his Blog, 3 weeks ago. Ultra-accurate GPS-Locked Precision Frequency Reference http://www.force12inc.com/pages/blog.htmlultraaccurate-gpslocked-precision-frequency-reference-now-

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Clint Jay
I am still learning and want to understand, if the PPS is good then why is the programmable output bad, as I understand it thus far, the PPS is derived from the same clock source or have I got that badly wrong? On 9 October 2015 at 12:16, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Doing a GPSDO by locking to the

[time-nuts] another gpsdo

2015-10-09 Thread Don Latham
http://www.force12inc.com/products/gps-locked-precision-frequency-reference-low-jitter-gps-clock-450-hz-to-800-mhz-output.html Don -- Felix qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. Lucky is he who has been able to understand the causes of things. Virgil --- "Noli sinere n

Re: [time-nuts] UBLOX LEA-5T Programming?

2015-10-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Doing a GPSDO by locking to the awful 10 MHz output from any of these GPS modules is not going to work very well. Given the very long time constants involved in a GPSDO control loop, doing it without code is going to be pretty difficult. A much easier approach: Grab the GPS PPS and a scop

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RTFG-u DE-9 connectors

2015-10-09 Thread Hal Murray
golgarfrinc...@gmail.com said: > I saw a lot of these quick locking connector shells on industrial routing > equipment in the 1990s and hated them. They were part of the early Ethernet specs. That was back in the days of 1/2 inch coax, vampire taps, transcievers, and drop cables. They got a h

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RTFG-u DE-9 connectors

2015-10-09 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Looks like what I call a slide latch https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CAACAC_enUS590US590&es_sm=122&biw=1366&bih=631&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=d-sub+slide+latch&oq=d-sub+slide+latch&gs_l=img.12...0.0.0.208917.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.ccynfh...0...1..64.img..0.0.0.kopFXhwkvbM Readily available parts at DigiKe