Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread jimlux
On 8/25/16 8:12 PM, Bill Metzenthen wrote: On 26/08/16 08:14, Hal Murray wrote: billm...@gmail.com said: If the conductor also has magnetic properties (e.g. if iron were used) then magnetic saturation could be an issue. Ah... Sorry I wasn't clear. How about Is skin depth an interesting con

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Bill Metzenthen
On 26/08/16 08:14, Hal Murray wrote: billm...@gmail.com said: If the conductor also has magnetic properties (e.g. if iron were used) then magnetic saturation could be an issue. Ah... Sorry I wasn't clear. How about Is skin depth an interesting concept if you are using materials commonly use

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Dave Brown
Let's know if they get to the bottom of this, Magnus- its interesting to speculate on the cause but hopefully they figure out the real issue. DaveB, NZ - Original Message - From: "Magnus Danielson" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, Augu

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Alex Pummer
to shield against DC and low frequency magnetic field usually high permeability magnetizable material -- Permalloy, Mu-metal or similar is used, the field concentrates in the high permeability material and "behind it" is no left over magnetic field 73 Alex On 8/25/2016 11:10 AM, Magnus Dani

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Hal Murray
billm...@gmail.com said: > If the conductor also has magnetic properties (e.g. if iron were used) then > magnetic saturation could be an issue. Ah... Sorry I wasn't clear. How about Is skin depth an interesting concept if you are using materials commonly used for magnetic shielding, for exa

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Bill Metzenthen
On 26/08/16 06:33, Hal Murray wrote: billm...@gmail.com said: Skin depth is probably a good place to start with in roughly estimating the thickness needed. In copper at 50 Hz, ... Is skin depth an appropriate concept for magnetic shielding? Or does it get messed up by saturation? Skin dep

Re: [time-nuts] Questions on Nortel Trimble NTBW50AA GPSTM

2016-08-25 Thread EB4APL
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Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Hal Murray
billm...@gmail.com said: > Skin depth is probably a good place to start with in roughly estimating the > thickness needed. In copper at 50 Hz, ... Is skin depth an appropriate concept for magnetic shielding? Or does it get messed up by saturation? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 08/25/2016 11:04 AM, Bill Metzenthen wrote: On 25/08/16 18:25, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <1057836989.2088307.1472104857885.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com>, Br uce Griffiths writes: You'd need a rather thick copper jacket to shield effectively against the 50Hz magnetic

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Bill Metzenthen
On 25/08/16 18:25, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <1057836989.2088307.1472104857885.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com>, Br uce Griffiths writes: You'd need a rather thick copper jacket to shield effectively against the 50Hz magnetic field. As in: A good-sized fraction of the waveleng

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There is also the minor issue of putting the (very thick) layers on in a spiral around the "core". You put one layer on clockwise and the next counter clockwise. Since the materials are quite springy, controlling the whole process through heat treating is a real chore. Bob > On Aug 25, 201

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bruce wrote: As long as you don't saturate it, bend it, hit it or drop it. And that is AFTER you form it to shape and then anneal it in a Hydrogen atmosphere. You may (probably would) need several layers, perhaps of different high-permeability alloys, with a thick outermost layer of soft i

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 km of fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <1057836989.2088307.1472104857885.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com>, Br uce Griffiths writes: >You'd need a rather thick copper jacket to shield effectively >against the 50Hz magnetic field. As in: A good-sized fraction of the wavelength if I recall :-) Electric fields are so mu

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 kmof fibre

2016-08-25 Thread Bruce Griffiths
As long as you don't saturate it, bend it, hit it or drop it. Depending on the ambient field a multilayer shield with outer layers of high saturation magnetic material may be required. Bruce On Thursday, 25 August 2016 7:02 PM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Bruce Griffiths You'd need

Re: [time-nuts] Optical link connects atomic clocks over 1400 kmof fibre

2016-08-25 Thread David J Taylor
From: Bruce Griffiths You'd need a rather thick copper jacket to shield effectively against the 50Hz magnetic field. Bruce == Would mu-metal be any use? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu-metal http://mumetal.co.uk/ Cheers, David -- SatSignal Software - Quality so