Re: [time-nuts] Some More questions

2006-01-19 Thread Alberto di Bene
To my knowledge, nobody tunes the frequency of the oscillator in their GPS receiver. Matt As far as I know, the Trimble Thunderbolt uses the same 10MHz OCXO that it disciplines as clock for the GPS receiver. 73 Alberto I2PHD ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Jupiter GPS receiver

2006-01-05 Thread Alberto di Bene
Magnus Danielson wrote: I looked in my data and their spec sheet shows +/- 1 microsecond. But, I beleive this was much better than that. I cannot find it, but I beleive I seen a report where somebody compared the Jupiter and it was in the 120 to 150 nanosecond class. +/- 1 microsecond

Re: [time-nuts] Jupiter GPS receiver

2006-01-04 Thread Alberto di Bene
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: You need to time the 1PPS signal to get the precise time, the serial timecode alone, NMEA or not, doesn't do it. Does anybody have reliable data on the jitter present on the 1pps signal of the Rockwell/Navman GPS boards ? I used in the past a 8-channel Motorola VP

[time-nuts] Z3816A vs Z3801A

2005-11-08 Thread Alberto di Bene
How do the two compare? Having already a Z3801A would it worthwhile to try to get hold of a Z3816A ? In other words, how does the MTI OCXO used in the Z3816A compare with the 10811-60158 of the Z3801A ? Thanks Alberto, I2PHD ___ time-nuts mailing

[time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Richard H McCorkle wrote: [snip] In interfacing an Isotemp mil spec version of the HP 10811B with a sensitivity of 9.7e-9/volt and a span of 4.85e-8 to the Shera controller even with [snip] Richard, do you perhaps have any experience of using the Isotemp OCXO134-12 unit ? I built a

[time-nuts] RE: phase locking Rb to GPS

2005-10-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Richard, thanks for your answer. I got my OCXO134-12 from eBay (NOS), and so far I have been unable to find its exact specs, as it is not reported on the Isotemp Web site (only the -10 is there). An email to them remained without answer, of course... probably it was a special build for some

[time-nuts] Re: Interfacing a 8dBm sine output of an OCXO to a digital logic standard

2005-09-16 Thread Alberto di Bene
Stephan Sandenbergh wrote: I wondered if anyone could help me with an interfacing problem? I guess that it is a trivial question to those that know, but I am rather puzzled by it. My very stable OCXO output a 8dBm (50ohm) sine wave. How is this signal converted/interfaced to a logic

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
I have measured the accuracy of the time base of my M-Audio Delta 44 sound card with the tolerance (and the accuracy) of 2.5 ppm I modified my program TCube for a sampling rate of 96 kHz, and set it for 40 kHz output. I connected the output to my 5328B (whose time base is driven by

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Alberto di Bene wrote: P.S. Let me please test how this reflector behaves when sending HTML messages... I have noticed a strange behavior in the past... it insists on reformatting the HTML message at its will... Here following there should be an image... let's see if it shows up

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
The list is set to convert HTML to plain text. That's what Mailman defaults to on setup, but I pretty strongly agree with that approach, so left it as is. Yes please, no HTML if we can avoid it. HTML is of course a vehicle of infections and the use of net resources is not optimal,

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-23 Thread Alberto di Bene
Ulrich Bangert wrote: Because it is a differential measurement between the two channels (which are sampled exactly the same time due to the adc hardware) the first idea was, that the effects introduced by the not so good sample clock of a ordinary sound card may cancel out completely. Beware

[time-nuts] Re: Power lines and time

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
Chuck Harris wrote: A 10% variation in line frequency would cause a 10% variation in power consumption registered. Induction type power meters will remain accurate with a 10% variation in power line voltage, however. Someday, our utilities will convert all of our meters to solidstate units

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
David Kirkby wrote: If your PC has an ISA slot, or you have an older PC with an ISA slot, then a GPIB board is not that expensive on eBay. Just save yourself a lot of hassle and get one from National Instruments, as they are better supported than other makes. I have an ISA GPIB card

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
An old PC is probably your best bet. Before I start hunting for an old PC with an ISA slot, does anybody know if Capital Equipment Corporation (the maker of my ISA GPIB card) is still in business ? I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy... 73 Alberto I2PHD

[time-nuts] Re: Accuracy of a sound card

2005-08-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
Alberto di Bene wrote: I am fearing that finding drivers for this card won't be that easy... I was wrong ! I have just found the drivers here : http://www.cec488.com/gpibupgd.html A free download... now the quest for the ISA PC can start... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD

[time-nuts] Re: Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-21 Thread Alberto di Bene
FWIW, this is a plot of the 53rd harmonic of the 50 Hz of the mains at my house, measured not more than half a hour ago. Nominally it should be 50 x 53 = 2650 Hz, but it ain't... http://sundry.i2phd.com/mains.html 73 Alberto I2PHD ___ time-nuts

[time-nuts] Re: Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-21 Thread Alberto di Bene
Chuck Harris wrote: Let's see, your graph shows for that small time interval that the frequency is within 0.05% of being correct. If it continued at that rate of error, it would result in an error of about 42 seconds in 24 hours.Sounds pretty bad, until you factor in a few other

Re: [time-nuts] Re: Low cost synchronization, kitchen appliances

2005-08-21 Thread Alberto di Bene
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: One thing I want to explore is how difficult it would be to provide an external clock for the Delta 44. Higher-end boards in the M-Audio series have a wordclock input, and I suspect that the Delta 44 PC board may be hackable to enable that. If you succeed in that,

[time-nuts] Re: General Technology Corporation rubidium standard

2005-08-10 Thread Alberto di Bene
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Alberto -- How about you scan the manual and return it to me? Extra karma if you make the scan available online. 73, John John, ok, I will send you in a private message my shipping address. I will scan it and prepare a PDF file (which my scanner does

[time-nuts] Re: General Technology Corporation rubidium standard

2005-08-09 Thread Alberto di Bene
John Ackermann N8UR wrote: Alberto, I just got home and checked -- I do have the manual for the 304B. Now what? John John, if you are ok with departing from it (i.e. you don't need it anymore), I am willing to pay the price you will ask for it and the shipping expenses . Just let me

[time-nuts] Re: Navman Jupiter GPS

2005-08-06 Thread Alberto di Bene
Mike Seguin wrote: Alberto, This site has much information on the engines. It lists the following, which doesn't say Navman, but the model number is in the series Datasheet Jupiter GPS Receiver TU30-D140-211/221/231. size 1.3MB, 19 pages, date: sept. 1998 http://www.gpskit.nl/downloads-en.htm

[time-nuts] Re: GPS clock to RT-Linux for pulsar machine

2005-07-02 Thread Alberto di Bene
DOS timekeeping is restricted to the 18.2Hz i8254 counter and that is far to crude for the NTP algorithms. A few SNTP tools work and their precision is obviously 18.2Hz... In case somebody needs it, many years ago I wrote a simple asm routine, meant to be run under DOS and called by a C

[time-nuts] Re: Data collection cycle -- multiple sources to one counter?

2005-06-21 Thread Alberto di Bene
Brooke Clarke wrote: A PIN diode is great for switching RF frequencies above the diode's lifetime. But not so good at switching DC coupled signals. The FET type switches, like the MAX458 are designed for switching DC coupled signals. Does anybody know what the HP 59307A uses ? It can switch

[time-nuts] Re: Data collection cycle -- multiple sources to one counter?

2005-06-21 Thread Alberto di Bene
Chuck Harris wrote: Alberto di Bene wrote: Does anybody know what the HP 59307A uses ? It can switch from DC to 500 MHz and the measured DC resistance is on the order of 0.2 ohm. Looking into the unit reveals that the switching device is shaped like a fat IC, thermally coupled with the back

[time-nuts] Re: [Do we need something like this ? Part II

2005-06-13 Thread Alberto di Bene
Ulrich Bangert wrote: What i have played around with in the last days is a 32 bit risc controller similar a ppc405 in form of a ip core inside a gate array. That would lead to kind of SOC solution for the problem and is a interesting alternative. Any comments on this? My purely personal

[time-nuts] Re: 10811 serial numbers

2005-06-01 Thread Alberto di Bene
Dave Carlson wrote: [...] I can't say where that strange A03912 number came from, except that it may have been a separate asset number added to that oscillator by the previous owner or that as a result of a previous repair a new label was generated as a replacement and the prefix was not

[time-nuts] 10811 serial numbers

2005-05-26 Thread Alberto di Bene
How are the 10811 OCXOs serially numbered ? I ask this, because from a photo on eBay I saw a 10811-60111 with serial number 2850A47273, a rather long number. The 10811-60111 in my 5328 counter has as S/N the number A03912, which looks like it belongs to a different numbering

[time-nuts] Re: Thanks All was connections for HP 10811A ?

2005-04-22 Thread Alberto di Bene
Daun Yeagley wrote: Hi Alberto The right-click method works if you are reading in a browser (I just tried it using SquirrelMail). However, I couldn't do that using LookOut (OutLook). Fortunately, Rex's method also works, so there are at least two ways to circumvent the problem. H, then it

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