Re: [time-nuts] Method for comparing oscillators

2009-08-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: ece7a93bd093e1439c20020fbe87c47feb74c94...@altphyembevsp20.res.ad.jpl Lux, Jim (337C) james.p@jpl.nasa.gov writes: : : Bruce, : : Thanks, that looks interesting. I found the manual here... : http://www.symmetricom.com/media/files/support/ttm/product- :

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola M12+ or M12M questions

2009-07-07 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a533c36.1030...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : There are (at least) three interpretations of when leap-seconds may be : inserted: : 1) At the end of every month. This is the ITU standard. It says that leap seconds can be

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Week 1536 causing problems?

2009-07-06 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a52bd4f.5020...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : Hal Murray wrote: : Anyone else lose an 18x? : : I lost one a while ago. Similar. It just stopped doing anything : useful. : : Battery failure? : : I don't think it has a

Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: GPS 256 week rollover may be causing problems for some GPS receivers]

2009-06-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a3bf553.20...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : Have any of you seen the reported problems? These counts started at 0 roughly at midnight UTC 6 Jan 1980 What does roughly mean here in this context? Warner

Re: [time-nuts] [Fwd: GPS 256 week rollover may be causing problems for some GPS receivers]

2009-06-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4813.1245444...@critter.freebsd.dk Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: : In message 20090619.143448.2102305600@bsdimp.com, M. Warner Losh writes : : : In message: 4a3bf553.20...@rubidium.dyndns.org : Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org

Re: [time-nuts] Z3805 initial behaviour after power up revised

2009-06-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: paejknppigmndlmjlenmgefjhnaa.frle...@verizon.net Francesco Ledda frle...@verizon.net writes: : Aging cannot be predicted! If it could be predicetd, there would be no : aging. Actually, if aging could be predicted perfectly, there'd be perfect holdover (which I think is

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A heat sink

2009-06-08 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a2d60a2.3030...@erols.com Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com writes: : I'm pretty sure that mornings should be banned. Perty much... Nobody has a breathalizer to ensure that you are sufficiently caffeinated to give a good chance of a coherent reply :) Lord know that would

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-24 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: c63ec123.7f8b%james.p@jpl.nasa.gov Lux, James P james.p@jpl.nasa.gov writes: : : : : On 5/24/09 8:32 AM, Bob Paddock bob.padd...@gmail.com wrote: : : A 33.31 format would buy us a century, still allow us to get : nanoseconds right, but it be computationally

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090519095316.1e1f4b46.att...@kinali.ch Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch writes: : On Sat, 16 May 2009 15:09:07 + : Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: : : In message 4a0ebdee.2020...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes: : : A watch isn't exactly a challenge to

Re: [time-nuts] Msg to N.Z. time nuts

2009-05-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: c6389103.7e0f%james.p@jpl.nasa.gov Lux, James P james.p@jpl.nasa.gov writes: : : : : On 5/19/09 1:15 PM, Russell Rezaian rreza...@motorola.com wrote: : : At 12:58 PM -0700 2009/05/19, Hal Murray wrote: : USB has a bad reputation, but I think it's way way

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: c636b079.7d49%james.p@jpl.nasa.gov Lux, James P james.p@jpl.nasa.gov writes: : I also wouldn't have the low order counter count nanoseconds, or even set it : up as seconds/subseconds. I'd echo this, since you are artificially limiting the clocks that are input to

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-17 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090517233218.01d11b...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net writes: : : If a carry occurs between the two high readings, then we can expect : the low reading to be close to 0 on either side of the wrapping. : Which side determines which

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD, NetBSD, or Minix-III?

2009-05-16 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: bf689bbe0905160731he199751t1b9212a526ea2...@mail.gmail.com Bob Paddock bob.padd...@gmail.com writes: : On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com wrote: : Bob Paddock wrote: : : Anyone ever look at Minix-III (Minix-I was the progenitor to Linux)? :

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a0d0fa0.3020...@tiscali.co.uk Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk writes: : M. Warner Losh wrote: : : I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. : : Thanks for the suggestions to use something else, but not an option. : : Like I say, I *have* fedora, I'm not planning

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090515142600.gg2...@vanheusden.com Folkert van Heusden folk...@vanheusden.com writes: : You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just : timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy : : much faster in what respect?

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090515152610.gi2...@vanheusden.com Folkert van Heusden folk...@vanheusden.com writes: : : You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just : : timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy : : : : much faster in what

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a0c7a74.50...@tiscali.co.uk Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk writes: : Anyone got any good Linux time systems for PCs ? : : I now have a PC on my home system that has Linux fedora on it and I'm : keen to learn how to make it a useful new member of my network. : : I

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090514220030.68e47b...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net writes: : : Is there any consensus for the reasons why Linux performs poorly? I : was thinking about setting up a server as well (possibly using a : little ARM-based

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090514223310.0d552b...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net writes: : I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. : Ouch. In some circles, those are fightin' words. : : I interpreted it as a joke, like telling a Windows user to install

Re: [time-nuts] Certichron

2009-04-28 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4fdb424f0904281038n7ef92dc1j117ab1eca8735...@mail.gmail.com Gretchen Baxter gretchendenisebax...@gmail.com writes: : They seem to be positioning themselves as *THE *trusted source for time : synchronization. If you were in the time business, would you say you weren't the

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
And when people are asking about UTC vs GMT, it should be noted the real question is Is legal time defined to be UTC, or is it defined to be mean solar time? GMT is mean solar time, except for all the silly confusion caused by folks who think it is the same as UTC. See recent threads on

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 49c033e3.2010...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : So far: : : UTC based: France, Sweden : GMT based (UT1?): Great Brittian, Denmark US: UTC It was Mean Solar Time for a long time, and then it was changed to Mean Solar Time as

Re: [time-nuts] Loran-C French Clocks

2009-03-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 000501c9a7b1$ef689bb0$a101a...@officemail phil fort...@bellsouth.net writes: : This will answers all the questions. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT Except that it doesn't answer much of anything for Magnus' questions. There's only 4 countries listed. Warner

Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset

2009-03-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: ece7a93bd093e1439c20020fbe87c47feb5f69c...@altphyembevsp20.res.ad.jpl Lux, James P james.p@jpl.nasa.gov writes: : -Original Message- : From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com : [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Louis Oneto : Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [time-nuts] French Time offset

2009-03-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: ece7a93bd093e1439c20020fbe87c47feb5f69c...@altphyembevsp20.res.ad.jpl Lux, James P james.p@jpl.nasa.gov writes: : : : Actually, there this paper: : : http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/leapsecs/seago.pdf : : says that the delta was 9 minutes and 20 seconds (see page

Re: [time-nuts] Time offset

2009-03-18 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 001c01c9a82e$4014b270$a101a...@officemail phil fort...@bellsouth.net writes: : Magnus, : On that same page was a link to an older archive, tzarchive.gz : ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzarchive.gz : : You will find references to actual laws and links imbedded in that for :

Re: [time-nuts] pi Day

2009-03-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 49ae3360.4000...@tiscali.co.uk Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk writes: : Steve Rooke wrote: : 2009/3/4 Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk: : : When do we get to the 14th month? ;-) : : Don't have to, we can get to the 1st month, January. : : : OK, that

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna installation problem

2009-03-02 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 49ac1f99.7010...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : Steve Rooke skrev: : 2009/3/2 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org: : Steve Rooke skrev: : Gaffa tape the cable to the supporting pipe with a small drip loop : into the

Re: [time-nuts] (OT) Frequency and duration of roll out

2009-02-22 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 11721.1235293...@critter.freebsd.dk Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: : In message 49a11470.6060...@tiscali.co.uk, Dave Ackrill writes: : : If you wanted to cheese off the instructor, you went to the roll of thin : cotton tape, hanging on a roll on the wall,

Re: [time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

2009-01-29 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 25630a120901291622l5cc165ecna06e01cc3de52...@mail.gmail.com michael taylor mct...@gmail.com writes: : An academic maverick is challenging conventional wisdom on Canada's : prehistory by claiming an archeological site in southern Alberta is : really a vast, open-air sun

Re: [time-nuts] Canada's 5,000 year old calendar

2009-01-29 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 49825436.5090...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : M. Warner Losh skrev: : In message: 25630a120901291622l5cc165ecna06e01cc3de52...@mail.gmail.com : michael taylor mct...@gmail.com writes: : : An academic maverick

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Time to Year?

2009-01-22 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: c3cd6f936e3e4ee99880b074162ab...@pc52 Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com writes: : Hi: : : It's my understanding that the slowest time data from GPS is the 10 bit week : number. : How does a GPS receiver come up with the current Year? : : -- : Have Fun, : :

Re: [time-nuts] Off Topic question...

2009-01-20 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 8cb492c1a47292d-1178-...@mblk-m35.sysops.aol.com n3...@aol.com writes: : In all of this Anglo American battering there is one thing we can agree on. : : Jason Bourne can kick James Bond's butt (or arse). Jason Bourne can kick James Bond's butt but James Bond can kick

Re: [time-nuts] Free programs to read NEMA data.

2009-01-17 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: ca1.4beaaa2e.36a3c...@aol.com n3...@aol.com writes: : : OK I found my registration for NMEAT. Now that I upgraded my hobby PC I'm : giving it a work out by running as many applications as I can. I have NMEAT : running from a Jupiter GPS engine and I have T-Bolt mon

Re: [time-nuts] Free programs to read NEMA data.

2009-01-17 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 1232236533.26603.8.ca...@bg-desktop Björn Gabrielsson b...@lysator.liu.se writes: : Hi Warner, : : On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 16:30 -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: : In message: ca1.4beaaa2e.36a3c...@aol.com : n3...@aol.com writes: : : : : OK I found my

Re: [time-nuts] NTP API on Linux 2.6.26

2009-01-06 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4964340d.8030...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : Hi! : : As I have been investigating the ways of NTPD to fiddle with time in the : LINUX kernel I discovered that /usr/include/linux/timex.h (as supplied : by the kernel) is not in

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: m3hc4gqdjb@lugabout.jhcloos.org James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com writes: : Warner == M Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com writes: : : Warner So what you've done is created a new time scale that is a UTC : Warner from 1972 forward, but a simplified form of UTC prior to 1972

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 495f7285.3040...@erols.com Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com writes: : christopher hoover wrote: : Hal Murray wrote: : Two of my Linux systems hung. One was running a 2.6.25 kernel and one : 2.6.26. A system running 2.6.23 worked fine. I saw a couple of notes : on :

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: m31vvks3e9@lugabout.jhcloos.org James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com writes: : Chuck == Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com writes: : : Chuck The message implies that linux clocks counted: : : Chuck 58..59..60..00..01 : : Chuck Which would not be the POSIX way. : : No, the

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: m3vdswqmb5@lugabout.jhcloos.org James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com writes: : Warner == M Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com writes: : : Warner That doesn't match POSIX's mandated behavior... time_t % 86400 == 0 : Warner at midnight is an invariant that's violated by the above

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
This is a minor little pedantic followup from an answer I gave before to correct a minor little quibble about the historic UTC. If you are uninterested, hit 'd' now :) In message: m3vdswqmb5@lugabout.jhcloos.org James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com writes: : Warner == M Warner Losh i

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 26842.1231015...@critter.freebsd.dk Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk writes: : In message 495fb615.9080...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: : : Having a message from ntp.c that says there was a leap : to HH:MM:60 implies that HH:MM:60 is a valid time as

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: m3mye8qen3@lugabout.jhcloos.org James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com writes: : Warner == M Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com writes: : : Jim By which sequence? : : Warner The sequence where midnight % 86400 isn't 0. : : MY appologies, but that isn't narrowing it for me. POSIX

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 495fd637.5030...@erols.com Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com writes: : Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: : In message 495fb615.9080...@rubidium.dyndns.org, Magnus Danielson writes: : : Having a message from ntp.c that says there was a leap : to HH:MM:60 implies that HH:MM:60 is a

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 495ff91c.60...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : M. Warner Losh skrev: : In message: m3mye8qen3@lugabout.jhcloos.org : James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com writes: : : Warner == M Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com writes

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Quirks

2009-01-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4960027e.1000...@erols.com Chuck Harris cfhar...@erols.com writes: : Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: : In message 495fd637.5030...@erols.com, Chuck Harris writes: : : Ok, that is news to me. Are you saying that (pulling a number out of : the air) time_t = 21120123 could be

Re: [time-nuts] Leap seconds and POSIX

2009-01-01 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: p06240822c582a02c4...@[192.168.1.212] Joe Gwinn joegw...@comcast.net writes: : Having worked in the POSIX committee for many years, I can shed some : light on how POSIX handles leap seconds: : : In short, POSIX adamantly ignores leap seconds. All days in POSIX : have

Re: [time-nuts] Leap seconds and POSIX

2009-01-01 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090101.112803.179959520@bsdimp.com M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com writes: : If POSIX had allowed for the system time to be TAI, and have the : offset applied for the display of times, then there would be no : ambiguity. However, this is not allowed because one must

[time-nuts] Early leap second data

2008-12-31 Thread M. Warner Losh
My server, which is slaved to NIST's stratum 1 server, did the leap correctly: Wed Dec 31 16:59:45 MST 2008 Wed Dec 31 16:59:46 MST 2008 Wed Dec 31 16:59:47 MST 2008 Wed Dec 31 16:59:48 MST 2008 Wed Dec 31 16:59:49 MST 2008 Wed Dec 31 16:59:50 MST 2008 Wed Dec 31 16:59:51 MST 2008 Wed Dec 31

Re: [time-nuts] Early leap second data

2008-12-31 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090101000621.gd28...@mail.msys.ch Marc Balmer m...@msys.ch writes: : * M. Warner Losh wrote: : My server, which is slaved to NIST's stratum 1 server, did the leap : correctly: : : It did not. There can not be two equal times. Yes, it was correct. : Wed Dec 31 16:59

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD 7 ntp server

2008-12-31 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: b3bd5fcb0812311604q2c8f7129v9b1185457c8a9...@mail.gmail.com Robert Darlington rdarling...@gmail.com writes: : Okay, not very fun. I was hoping to see ...58,59,60,00. Instead my : system ticked :59 twice.Here's the output of my not so very : scientific logs (up arrow,

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD 7 ntp server

2008-12-31 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: f6bol4dpdl7b5oh32h3mo18pfki549h...@4ax.com Neon John j...@johngsbbq.com writes: : On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:57:33 -0700 (MST), M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com : wrote: : : In message: b3bd5fcb0812311604q2c8f7129v9b1185457c8a9...@mail.gmail.com : Robert Darlington

Re: [time-nuts] FreeBSD 7 ntp server

2008-12-31 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 1231b6a80812312047k5d2d702djcdd9610f47bc9...@mail.gmail.com Steve Rooke sar10...@gmail.com writes: : 2009/1/1 M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com: : In message: f6bol4dpdl7b5oh32h3mo18pfki549h...@4ax.com : Neon John j...@johngsbbq.com writes: : : On Wed, 31 Dec

Re: [time-nuts] Leap-second happens when...??

2008-12-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4955f456.8000...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : Michael Baker skrev: : Hello, Time-Nutters-- : : I must have missed something... I have known about : the coming leap-second for months, but have not heard : when it was going

Re: [time-nuts] Leap-second happens when...??

2008-12-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4956d398.6060...@rubidium.dyndns.org Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org writes: : : : The first preference on which month to insert them is first to the June : : and December. : : : : The second preference is on Mars and September. : : I assume you mean

Re: [time-nuts] Cesium tube ion pumps

2008-12-03 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Corby, : : AT what point would be approp to call symmetricom and complain about defective : tube?I still have 2 years on the 5 yr warranty left, but how do u explain this : (defect),,(I assume it will just keep rising and

Re: [time-nuts] Voltage standards

2008-11-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Cryogenic standards arent really feasible for home use as most require : liquid helium coolant. This has got to be one of the best lines in a time-nuts email :) Warner

Re: [time-nuts] Voltage standards

2008-11-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
? : : Jim : : On 11/30/08 2:13 PM, M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Cryogenic standards arent really feasible for home use as most require : : liquid helium coolant. : : This has got to be one

Re: [time-nuts] NIST tours

2008-11-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I see NIST has no official tours currently, but am wondering if they do this : for weirdos that are into this sort of thing as compared to the general : public. I'm finding myself in Boulder more often due to

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: M12+T ASCII interface - I'm confused?

2008-11-20 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] christopher hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : tvb wrote: : I hope you end up liking the binary format; I'm not sure how it could : be improved. : : IIRC, there's no length field in the packet; so you have to know the length : of all the messages you

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second glitches on NTP using Z3801A

2008-11-16 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Garner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Ascending from Lurk Mode, I have a (possibly stupid) question: according to : : http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/leapsec.html : : and Tony Jones's book The Story of Atomic Time GPS time does not : account for leap

Re: [time-nuts] Leap second glitches on NTP using Z3801A

2008-11-16 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric Garner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Sorry for not forming my question better. I guess what I wanted to : know is that given that the first leap second was in 1972 and that the : first GPS satellite was launched in 1993. why was it decided to not :

Re: [time-nuts] Testing frequency using NTP

2008-11-02 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David M. Witten II [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Will a usable build of FreeBSD 7.x run in the memory available on the : older Soekris boards? (64 MB RAM) No. My router/dhcp server, mail forwarding anti-spam agent, external DNS server are all on my

Re: [time-nuts] Testing frequency using NTP

2008-11-02 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : David M. Witten II [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Will a usable build of FreeBSD 7.x run in the memory available on the : : older Soekris boards? (64 MB RAM

Re: [time-nuts] What's the time Mr Wolf...

2008-10-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve Rooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : 2008/10/31 Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: : : 11) Extrapolating this, a point on the Equator would be moving faster : that a point at the poles or even Greenwich, for that matter. So would : a clock at each

Re: [time-nuts] How can it be :05 in one place and :30 in another

2008-10-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gretchen Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I am confused. : : Why do they do that? what is the benefit? Better correspondence of local time to solar time when the population centers of the time zones are located near the boundary of a time zone...

Re: [time-nuts] Exceptions...

2008-10-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus Danielson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Lux, James P wrote: : : : On 10/26/08 9:45 AM, Burt I. Weiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : Except for the flat or pointy places. : : Burt, K6OQK : : At 05:00 AM 10/26/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :

Re: [time-nuts] How many seconds in a year?

2008-10-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : So there is no way to build a clock today that is guaranteed to count : seconds correctly in future years, short of having it receive leap : second announcements twice a year and adjust its timekeeping :

Re: [time-nuts] Leap Second Pending

2008-07-29 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] randy warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : This is typical. The Air Force inserts this flag into the almanac well : before the actual event (normally about 6 months) to allow users to prepare : for it. Yes. All the old clocks that stuttered and did the

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble T-Bolt Dumb Question

2008-07-08 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Richard W. Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : How does one determine that they are locked to the GPS system ? : If I look at TboltMon I see lots of data, but nowhere do I find a : specific statement that I am locked. : : The output frequency is accurate

Re: [time-nuts] New leap second

2008-07-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ronald Held [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I just got that bulletin. I will have to adjust all of the programs : using the update data from the Astronautic Almanac when the next one : is issued. Yes, this is one of the problems with leap seconds. Opinions

Re: [time-nuts] cesium clocks..

2008-06-19 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Maybe try : : hp (5071a,5061a,5061b) : : ... to start with. : : The 5071as seem more desirable but they're also usually more expensive, and : (the really scary part, true of all of them): how do you tell how

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 47, Issue 5

2008-06-02 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Don Collie jnr wrote: : I`m curious : What is a virgin teflon standoff, and does it have anything : to do with the teflon Don? : ...Don

Re: [time-nuts] Best OS for small time server

2008-02-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Vassar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I successfully ran these network services sans network filesystems on : a 1Gb USB memory stick for about 8 months. It was completely silent, : and the total power draw was roughly 5 watts. The problem I ran

Re: [time-nuts] sync computer clock ticks

2008-01-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Di Domenico [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I've used NTP for years, but i was under the impression that it is not : able to synchonize the clocks below 1 or 2 seconds. Can you point me : towards a specific article that speaks about the configuration

Re: [time-nuts] sync computer clock ticks

2008-01-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] michael taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : On Jan 4, 2008 12:03 PM, M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : I don't know about other people, but out of the box I get sub 20ms : synchronization. Right now, it is sitting at about 12.5ms

Re: [time-nuts] sync computer clock ticks

2008-01-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christian Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : For example, do you want to timestamp interrupts to synchronize : machinery? Or just note down the timestamps of bittorrent downloads very : precisely? Just synchronizing an otherwise idling computer is

Re: [time-nuts] sync computer clock ticks

2008-01-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : M. Warner Losh wrote: : In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Christian Vogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : For example, do you want to timestamp interrupts to synchronize : : machinery? Or just note

Re: [time-nuts] Of rubidium life and piggy-bank anemia....

2007-12-01 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The conventional approach adopted by NIST is to divide each frequency to : be measured down to 1 PPS, then timestamp the PPS transitions for each : channel as well as the PPS transitions from a GPS timing

Re: [time-nuts] Chronometer contest sponsored by IEEE Spectrum

2007-11-29 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeffrey Pawlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : : On Thu, 29 Nov 2007, David Forbes wrote: : : It might be more fun to require that an OCXO be designed and built by : the DIY-er out of commercially available crystals and resistors. That : way, it's an

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN-C

2007-11-12 Thread M. Warner Losh
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Can someone confirm that the E10 to E13 errors are typical : of the 2100F? And what ultimate long-term stability have others : been able to

Re: [time-nuts] Danish Question

2007-10-31 Thread M. Warner Losh
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I must admit that this reminds me of the only Dane I know really well, and who happens to be a frequent contributor to this list. I can just see him saying If you would like a nice new barometer... :-) Warner In message:

Re: [time-nuts] OT: You know your getting old when...

2007-09-06 Thread M. Warner Losh
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : And a time nut if you wonder if that's 80 kHz or 80.000 kHz Or if you invent some ascii way to put a little bar over the last significant

[time-nuts] Estate Sale find

2007-08-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY I went to an estate sale today. I discovered a bunch of manuals from some guy that once had an electronics business. I didn't find the items they described, but I thought people here might be interested: (1) Rycom

Re: [time-nuts] Estate Sale find

2007-08-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
message : board and reflector I will risk your wrath and forward a posting there for : you OK. But this manual is the only one I had, and the sale is now over. Warner : Regards : Alan G3NYK : : - Original Message - : From: M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: time-nuts@febo.com : Sent: 04

Re: [time-nuts] Estate Sale find

2007-08-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M. Warner Losh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : (3) 2 envelopes (4 thick total) labeled NBS Time Receiver. These appear to be related to the design of a ATS-3 receiver, plus a lot of NBS

Re: [time-nuts] Oncore VP problem

2007-07-21 Thread M. Warner Losh
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : If one booted a FreeBSD machine with an active GPS timing receiver : connected to a serial port, the serial buffers would overflow. : This

Re: [time-nuts] Cs stability

2007-07-17 Thread M. Warner Losh
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false : Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : In the article OBSERVATIONS ON STABILITY MEASUREMENTS : OF COMMERCIAL ATOMIC

[time-nuts] COMPASS

2007-06-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
Anybody know anything about China's COMPASS system that is being deployed? Warner ___ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] On Setting the Astronomical Time

2007-06-10 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Is there some way to get TT to better than a tenth of a second, or is : the earth just too sloppy of a time keeper? : : My guess... : : The earth is sloppy on this scale. If it wasn't, we could predict leap

Re: [time-nuts] Pendulums Atomic Clocks Gravity

2007-05-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Beam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : 'Free fall' implies that g is not zero! : : If g=0 was true, then the satellite would not be falling at all. : It is beacuse g is not zero, that the satellite is in 'orbit' rather : than moving off in a straight line.

Re: [time-nuts] NTP Synchronised Nixie Tube Clock

2007-05-08 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : No kidding. That clock would be equally at home in Blade Runner or : Triumph des Willens. Or add a Fresnel lens and pop that bad boy down inside of Brazil. Warner ___

Re: [time-nuts] OT: eBay bidding question

2007-04-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : In a message dated 4/26/2007 05:23:48 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] : writes: : : Can anyone propose a sequence of bids on dates that explains this list : of recorded bids and dates? I guess there must be

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB/USB converter help...

2007-04-17 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Didier Juges [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The good news in that regard is that it appears FTDI pretty much owns : the USB-Serial adapter market, at least in the US, so we almost have a : standard there... Well, there is the umodem standard... But 3/4 of

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370A Frequency counter Problem(s)

2007-03-22 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Hudler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I can restore a heavily damaged face (Scratched to the metal) to like new : with a few hours work. (Curse those idiots that scrape of stickers!!) What about a cracked in half face plate? Any cool trick to repair it

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency counter recommendations

2007-03-20 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : How do these models compare with the venerable 5370? : : I haven't worked with the 5370. I have. It is bigger than a 5071A Frequency Standards :-). : The 5334 doesn't have a fan. It's much easier to find on

Re: [time-nuts] Question for the cesium nuts.

2007-03-16 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chuck Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Robert Lutwak wrote: : There's no reason that you shouldn't see just as many CsIIIs, Cs4000s, and : 5071s on the used market tomorrow as you see 4040s and 506Xs today, just as : soon as they trickle down

Re: [time-nuts] Delay through GPS antenna splitter/amplifier -- an answer, and a question

2007-03-12 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob Kimberley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : From my experience, your position and hence derived time is based on the : antenna centre. Cable, splitter, connector, and antenna filter delays all : need to be taken into account when looking at very accurate

Re: [time-nuts] Delay through GPS antenna splitter/amplifier -- an answer, and a question

2007-03-12 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus Danielson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Oh my goodness, the PPS is 10 ps late due to unmatched cable-lag! What should I : do? (For the egg-clock in the kitchen) Put a tiny kink in the cable. That should be good for an offset of that magnitude.

Re: [time-nuts] Delay through GPS antenna splitter/amplifier -- ananswer, and a question

2007-03-12 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Rabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : This is the basic problem with our hobby... I proudly tell people that I : can measure time to trillionths of a second, but am hard pressed for a : good answer when they ask why do you need to? : : I find myself

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