Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt no longer determines the correct date

2017-08-02 Thread Ralph Smith
d. Note that I didn't > touch gpsclientd... > > Leigh/WA5ZNU > > On 08/01/2017 09:37 AM, Ralph Smith wrote: >> Thanks for doing this, I was just about to dive into this. I've been >> neck deep in some other things recently and just became aware of this >> iss

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt no longer determines the correct date

2017-08-01 Thread Ralph Smith
Thanks for doing this, I was just about to dive into this. I've been neck deep in some other things recently and just became aware of this issue. Could you check the source tarball? I just downloaded it and it appears to be the unmodified version of my code from 2010. Ralph AB4RS Sent from

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Server On Raspberry Pi 2 Model B?

2016-01-14 Thread Ralph Smith
L > pointed me to: > Original code written for BSD: > http://ralphsmith.org/~ralph/thunderbolt.tar.gz > > Patches for linux and info by Leigh Klotz (WA5ZNU): > http://wa5znu.org/2011/08/tbolt/ > > The original announcement for the BSD version was almost 6 years ago by > R

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Server On Raspberry Pi 2 Model B?

2016-01-14 Thread Ralph Smith
I wrote a program called tboltd that does just that. You have the option of having it write the time to shared memory and using NTP's SHM driver. You can get it at http://topoatlas.com/tboltd/tboltd.gz. It compiles on FreeBSD, not sure about Linux. tboltd allows LH to connect while it does its

Re: [time-nuts] How did they distribute time in the old days?

2015-10-15 Thread Ralph Smith
I drive one of my Self Winding Clock Company/Western Union clocks using the NTP server I built using a Trimble Thunderbolt and a Soekris Net4501. I use a GPIO line to drive a simple transistor switch using the same 3 volt battery that I also use do power the winder. The pulse from the GPIO pin

Re: [time-nuts] Net4501

2013-06-06 Thread Ralph Smith
On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that is exactly what I meant by remove the temperature issue that means using a clock derived from a laboratory standard like GPS disciplined OCXO or a rubidium oscillator. Once you do this the next bottle next

Re: [time-nuts] Net4501

2013-06-06 Thread Ralph Smith
On Jun 7, 2013, at 12:19 AM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: If you look at PHK's code in FreeBSD this is what is done. The PPS signal gates the timer, so no interrupt is involved in the time stamp precision. But yes, it would be interesting to do something on a FPGA.

Re: [time-nuts] NTP Clock suggestions?

2013-05-30 Thread Ralph Smith
On Mon, May 27, 2013 10:56 am, Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves wrote: [...] On 27 May 2013 14:56, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: [...] Also correct, but a bit of a joke answer: Raspberry PI driving your television set. Alternatively make the Pi feed control signals to a hacked normal clock. Good

[time-nuts] *****SPAM***** Re: Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Ralph Smith
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Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Supply

2011-02-15 Thread Ralph Smith
It seems my mail server was a little overzealous in declaring a message spam, for which I apologize, and will try a resend. On Tue, February 15, 2011 7:40 am, Brendan Minish wrote: I guess what I am wondering, considering I already have a very low noise, stable, battery backed 12V (13.8V

Re: [time-nuts] OT: NTP server questions

2010-11-30 Thread Ralph Smith
If you are rolling your own I would advise a Soekris net4501 (US $173 new) over any netbook for several reasons: cheaper, more rugged, better solution overall. It all comes down to requirements, budget, and who the user is (which drives the first two). If I were doing a system for myself, it's

Re: [time-nuts] USB Low Cost GPS Timing Receiver

2010-11-28 Thread Ralph Smith
OK, after dropping the amount of coin on the mount, scope, and camera, (my guess in the neighborhood of $40,000 US) a few hundred bucks for a timing solution shouldn't be too bad. Would an external NTP box, perhaps a Soekris Net4501 driven by a Thunderbolt or another GPS receiver with PPS work?

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Ralph Smith
On Sep 11, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 09/11/2010 05:29 PM, jimlux wrote: If it's far enough in the future.. Hg ion traps have a lot of potential.. smaller, lower power, etc. than Cs Commercial availability is somewhat limited. that's for sure.. I think all the Hg ion

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-10 Thread Ralph Smith
On Sep 10, 2010, at 7:50 AM, J. L. Trantham wrote: Loran was used as an area navigation method in aviation for many years. It was available nation wide with a number of chains. I had assumed that the area of interest was the Rocky's but if the Appalachians, even better. The site currently

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-10 Thread Ralph Smith
On Fri, September 10, 2010 11:43 am, Mark Spencer wrote: The application in question seems to be concerned with the realitive time difference between sites as opposed to absolute accuracy so depending on how close they were together the propgation variances in a loran type solution may not

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-10 Thread Ralph Smith
OK, stop me if this is really stupid. The initial site is in Colorado. Would it be possible to use WWV? In particular: 1) Lock a reference to the carrier of one of the WWV signals 2) Generate PPS off of WWV-locked reference 3) Periodically send difference of GPSDO PPS and WWV-locked PPS home,

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-10 Thread Ralph Smith
On Sep 10, 2010, at 7:44 PM, J. L. Trantham, M. D. wrote: I guess I am thinking about this from a user perspective rather than an engineering design and implementation perspective. If the requirement is aircraft separation, LORAN should be adequate for that, if it was still up. You would

[time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-09 Thread Ralph Smith
We have a requirement for approximately ten radio sites to be synchronized to within 30 ns of each other. Ordinarily you could throw in an appropriate GPSDO and be done with it. However, we also have the reqirement to be able to operate independent of GPS for up to six days. If we were able to

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-09 Thread Ralph Smith
, Sep 9, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Ralph Smith ra...@ralphsmith.org wrote: We have a requirement for approximately ten radio sites to be synchronized to within 30 ns of each other. Ordinarily you could throw in an appropriate GPSDO and be done with it. However, we also have the reqirement to be able

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-09 Thread Ralph Smith
The network is spread over about 250-300 US miles. Ralph On Thu, September 9, 2010 12:01 pm, Didier Juges wrote: How widely spread is your network? Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless thingy while I do other things... -Original Message- From: Ralph Smith ra

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-09 Thread Ralph Smith
On Thu, September 9, 2010 1:10 pm, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 9/9/2010 8:37 AM, Ralph Smith wrote: We have a requirement for approximately ten radio sites to be synchronized to within 30 ns of each other. 30 ns seems a little closer than most radio site applications need... what drives

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-09 Thread Ralph Smith
On Thu, September 9, 2010 1:55 pm, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 9/9/2010 10:42 AM, Ralph Smith wrote: On Thu, September 9, 2010 1:10 pm, Matthew Kaufman wrote: On 9/9/2010 8:37 AM, Ralph Smith wrote: We have a requirement for approximately ten radio sites to be synchronized to within 30 ns

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-09 Thread Ralph Smith
1e-11 only buys you 3000 seconds of drift before blowing the 30 ns budget. Without going to cesium we will most likely need some form of mutually visible synchronization. Ralph On Thu, September 9, 2010 2:01 pm, Jason Rabel wrote: What about Symmetricom XPRO Rubidium? It says on the data sheet

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-09 Thread Ralph Smith
On Thu, September 9, 2010 3:17 pm, John Anderson wrote: Hmmm...I design such timing systems for Moto data radios, and 30nS sync is going to be very hard to achieve in reality.  Over a few hundred miles you're going to have OTA time of flight issues, temperature dependencies, etc.  Over the

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-09 Thread Ralph Smith
On Sep 9, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If 30 ns is the system goal, then you have a lot more to budget for than simple clock error. You could easily be below 10 ns for just the clock portion of the budget. I suspect that multiple 5071's and a maser or two at each site will be

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-09 Thread Ralph Smith
On Sep 9, 2010, at 8:01 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote: I would like to point out that the environmental sensitivities of the 5071A are unmeasureable, and the measurement threshold is far below 5.8E-14. I would estimate that the 5071A (and ONLY the 5071A among commercial clocks) could get the job

Re: [time-nuts] More from the obsolete gps file: oncore nmea

2010-05-31 Thread Ralph Smith
We're diverting from time-nuttery a bit here, but I think this is still of interest to a large part of the group. On May 31, 2010, at 6:00 AM, Hal Murray wrote: ra...@ralphsmith.org said: The Vienna (Virginia) Wireless Society has had several balloon launches. Our last, on May 1, 2010 reached

Re: [time-nuts] More from the obsolete gps file: oncore nmea

2010-05-30 Thread Ralph Smith
The Vienna (Virginia) Wireless Society has had several balloon launches. Our last, on May 1, 2010 reached 117,877 ft. We use a Garmin GPS-18, which works at these altitudes. Information on our flights can be found at http://www.viennawireless.org/balloon/missions/, and some pictures from the

Re: [time-nuts] 4501 Netclock

2010-04-22 Thread Ralph Smith
On Apr 22, 2010, at 3:03 AM, Hal Murray wrote: Has anyone successfully used a Thunderbolt GPS with a 4501 Netclock based on the design that John Ackermann describes on his web page. I assume you are talking about: http://www.febo.com/pages/soekris/ Calling it a Netclock confuses

Re: [time-nuts] simple, cheap clock for the local LAN

2010-04-06 Thread Ralph Smith
On Mon, April 5, 2010 1:18 pm, Mark Sims wrote: Just use everybody's favorite GPSDO,  the Thunderbolt.  While it is being disciplined by GPS,  it is learning how the oscillator tends to age with time and drift with temperature.  If GPS goes away,  it will still discipline the oscillator in an

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-21 Thread Ralph Smith
Naval Jelly, sold under numerous brand names. Phosphoric acid is also available in flooring departments of the big home improvement stores, used for removing grout haze from ceramic tile. Ralph On Mar 21, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Robert Atkinson wrote: There is a common use for Phosphoric acid.

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Daemon for FreeBSD

2010-02-02 Thread Ralph Smith
On Tue, February 2, 2010 12:47 pm, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Sounds *very* useful. Which version(s) of FreeBSD have you tried it on? 8.0-STABLE, but it should be good for earlier versions. Ralph (AB4RS) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Daemon for FreeBSD

2010-02-02 Thread Ralph Smith
On Tue, February 2, 2010 12:58 pm, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I'm running 8 on most of my stuff now, so that should not be an issue. If you had come back with 6.1 that might have been reason to stop and think a bit. Does the program take care of all the serial line setup stuff, or are there links

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather Daemon for FreeBSD

2010-02-02 Thread Ralph Smith
On Tue, February 2, 2010 12:53 pm, Ralph Smith wrote: On Tue, February 2, 2010 12:47 pm, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Sounds *very* useful. Which version(s) of FreeBSD have you tried it on? 8.0-STABLE, but it should be good for earlier versions. It should also port to Linux easily with minimal

Re: [time-nuts] Self winding clock co. Weatern union clock

2010-01-30 Thread Ralph Smith
Ken, at Ken's Clock clinic http://www.kensclockclinic.com/ has a good deal of information about Self-Winding Clock Company clocks, as does our own Brooke Clarke http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC.shtml. I have two of these beasts, powered by a replica #6 battery from Ken's Clock Clinic, that contains

Re: [time-nuts] Test Equipment Tables

2010-01-25 Thread Ralph Smith
You can make a lighter, stronger, more rigid tabletop using torsion box construction. Use 1/2 plywood for the top and bottom. Use 1x1 strips of a hardwood such as poplar to crate a lattice spaced at 6 inch intervals in between, glued along the lengths of the lattice. I use brads during

[time-nuts] Time Running Backwards

2009-10-08 Thread Ralph Smith
I have a Goofy (Disney) watch, where the hands run backwards. This was actually not uncommon in barber shop clocks, when looked at in the mirror they are correct. Ralph On Oct 8, 2009, at 3:07 AM, d.sei...@comcast.net wrote: I'm not in AU (left coast US), but I've got a clock on my office

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolts, time references, NTP etc.

2009-06-15 Thread Ralph Smith
On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Dave Baxter wrote: Is this good value, and a trusted seller? I know nothing about the seller, but the price (US $159) looks reasonable, considering the inclusion of the antenna and power supply. My intended main application, is to drive a local NTP server

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt gpsd ntpd failure.

2009-05-02 Thread Ralph Smith
I got this working, and the FreeBSD port with the Thunderbolt diffs is at http://ralphsmith.org/~ralph/soekris-ntp/gpsd.tar.gz. I also used the ntp-devel port. Ralph On May 1, 2009, at 12:01 AM, John Murphy wrote: Thanks for all the replies. Hal Murray wrote: The configure step takes

Re: [time-nuts] looking at creative ways to route GPS signals through a home to a Thunderbolt

2009-04-08 Thread Ralph Smith
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Re: [time-nuts] GPS disciplined mechanical clocks

2009-03-04 Thread Ralph Smith
I have two Western Union/Self-Winding Clock Company Clocks. Some background info: http://www.kensclockclinic.com/pdf/Model%201900S%20White%20Paper.pdf http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC.shtml (Brooke Clarke's site, a member of this list). I synchronize mine using my NTP server built from a Soekris

[time-nuts] Garmin GPS18 Leap Second Observation

2008-12-31 Thread Ralph Smith
I was watching the leap second on the NMEA output of my Garmin GPS18, displaying the RNC and GGA sentences. The GGA sentences repeated 235959, but the RMC sentence repeated 00. $GPRMC,235958,A,3855.4967,N,07723.0144,W,000.0,013.3,311208,010.5,W*7D